St. Denis C-C

smilingvox · Jan-20-2010, 23:46

Does anybody have any photos of the interior of the 1841 Cavaille-Coll in St. Denis? Possibly including photos of the two 32' ranks in the Pedale?

Thierry59 · Jan-23-2010, 12:16

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Originally Posted by smilingvox

Does anybody have any photos of the interior of the 1841 Cavaille-Coll in St. Denis? Possibly including photos of the two 32' ranks in the Pedale?

I have visited several times the interior of the ACC opus 1 with Pierre Pincemaille, but unfortunately I hadn't taken my camera

Next time I'll do it!

dll927 · Jan-23-2010, 17:51

Is there something unique about the interior of that particular organ?

Also, if one of the 32's is a flue and the other a reed, they won't resemble each other, anyway. Plus, why isn't the 32 flue out in plain sight like most are?

Thierry59 · Jan-23-2010, 22:06

There are three 32's in this magnificent organ:
- Montre in façade (Great organ manuel)
- Flute in the interior (pedal)
- Contre-bombarde in the interior (pedal)

smilingvox · Jan-25-2010, 23:10

dll, I'm interested in organ interiors in general. This is a special organ, because it is C-C's first and it's large. Usually, a builder's Opus 1 is small, or even medium-sized. I like looking at details of pipe construction.

Thierry, I looked at a stoplist in a CD booklet and it said that the Grande Orgue 32' Montre went down to only tenor-C (16-foot C). I just noticed this and was asking myself, "Okay, so does this mean that the longest facade pipe is not 32'?" All along, I believed that this stop covered the whole compass.

Some buildings, in which organs are housed, are so large, that it makes an organ appear smaller than it really is. I've never been to St. Denis, so photos are the only things I've been going on. Perhaps this was a misprint in the stoplist (I hope).

dll927 · Jan-26-2010, 16:42

Few organs have a 32 in the manuals, so that is fairly unusual.

As for seeing the pipe construction, with enough experience one can learn to recognize by sight which rank is which stop within a given division. Certainly a "chimney flute" or a vox should be recognizable, as would be some of wooden ranks. Wood is almost certain to mean "open diapason" of some type or a flute.

Thierry59 · Jan-31-2010, 12:41

Pincemaille the titular organist of Saint-Denis interviewed by the French tv : interesting views of the interior of the organ as from 1'54.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7MQV...ayer_embedded#

Thierry59 · Feb-08-2010, 14:55

Very soon, some links on the interior of the ACC opus 1 (a prototype) to come.
Concerning the "montre 32'" it is in fact a 16' as the first octave is mute (GO).

Contratrombone64 · Feb-08-2010, 21:54

what's the point of mute octave? is it because they are actually only facade pipes, very puzzled here.

Thierry59 · Feb-09-2010, 11:15

No the facade pipes are from the Montre.

Jan-20-2010, 23:46	#1 (permalink)
smilingvox Lieutenant, Associate Concertmaster Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 89	St. Denis C-C Does anybody have any photos of the interior of the 1841 Cavaille-Coll in St. Denis? Possibly including photos of the two 32' ranks in the Pedale?

Jan-25-2010, 23:10	#5 (permalink)
smilingvox Lieutenant, Associate Concertmaster Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 89	dll, I'm interested in organ interiors in general. This is a special organ, because it is C-C's first and it's large. Usually, a builder's Opus 1 is small, or even medium-sized. I like looking at details of pipe construction. Thierry, I looked at a stoplist in a CD booklet and it said that the Grande Orgue 32' Montre went down to only tenor-C (16-foot C). I just noticed this and was asking myself, "Okay, so does this mean that the longest facade pipe is not 32'?" All along, I believed that this stop covered the whole compass. Some buildings, in which organs are housed, are so large, that it makes an organ appear smaller than it really is. I've never been to St. Denis, so photos are the only things I've been going on. Perhaps this was a misprint in the stoplist (I hope). Last edited by smilingvox; Jan-25-2010 at 23:17.

Feb-08-2010, 14:55	#8 (permalink)
Thierry59 Midshipman, Forte Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 31	ACC Saint Denis Very soon, some links on the interior of the ACC opus 1 (a prototype) to come. Concerning the "montre 32'" it is in fact a 16' as the first octave is mute (GO).

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dll927 Captain of Water Music Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 442	Is there something unique about the interior of that particular organ? Also, if one of the 32's is a flue and the other a reed, they won't resemble each other, anyway. Plus, why isn't the 32 flue out in plain sight like most are?

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Thierry59 Midshipman, Forte Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 31	There are three 32's in this magnificent organ: - Montre in façade (Great organ manuel) - Flute in the interior (pedal) - Contre-bombarde in the interior (pedal)

Jan-26-2010, 16:42	#6 (permalink)
dll927 Captain of Water Music Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 442	Few organs have a 32 in the manuals, so that is fairly unusual. As for seeing the pipe construction, with enough experience one can learn to recognize by sight which rank is which stop within a given division. Certainly a "chimney flute" or a vox should be recognizable, as would be some of wooden ranks. Wood is almost certain to mean "open diapason" of some type or a flute.

Jan-31-2010, 12:41	#7 (permalink)
Thierry59 Midshipman, Forte Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 31	Pincemaille the titular organist of Saint-Denis interviewed by the French tv : interesting views of the interior of the organ as from 1'54. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7MQV...ayer_embedded#

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Contratrombone64 Vice Admiral Virtuoso Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 4,516 Images: 1	what's the point of mute octave? is it because they are actually only facade pipes, very puzzled here.

Feb-09-2010, 11:15	#10 (permalink)
Thierry59 Midshipman, Forte Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 31	No the facade pipes are from the Montre.