Hmmmm :rolleyes: Possible to use Hauptwerk via mounted instrument speakers?

[Ntalikeris666]

Hello there,

I was wondering if its possible for someone to use an instruments speakers instead of external ones when using hauptwerk.

Any ideas?


Cheers,
Nick

[Dorsetmike]

I'm playing GrandOrgue through a HI Fi system, suppose you would call that external speakers.

By an instrument's speakers I presume you mean speakers in an electronic organ or keyboard. You would need an input socket on the instrument if you intend using the instrument's amplifier as well, otherwise you would have to make a connction direct to the speakers having disconnected them from the instrumnet's amplifier.

[Ntalikeris666]

I'm playing GrandOrgue through a HI Fi system, suppose you would call that external speakers.

By an instrument's speakers I presume you mean speakers in an electronic organ or keyboard. You would need an input socket on the instrument if you intend using the instrument's amplifier as well, otherwise you would have to make a connction direct to the speakers having disconnected them from the instrumnet's amplifier.

What exactly is an Input Socket?

[Dorsetmike]

An input socket is a connection, usually on the back of an amplifier or other electronic item.

Example on the back of your PC there will be sockets to plug in headphones (an output) microphone (an input), and other audio inputs and outputs.

[Ghekorg7]

Hi Nick!! Your question fits exactly in my fields and my everyday practice. So listen ,

As I told you in another topic, my organ is the Yamaha EL900 1998 model. It has an amplifier of about 240w and lots of speakers (8 !)and enough connections audio and midi, plus two expression pedals.
Beneath the manuals there is a "placket" with inputs and outputs for both rca and jack cables. One of them is called AUX IN. In this input you can connect the AUDIO output of your computer to hear thru the organ's amp/speakers what is playing(for this question of yours -Hauptwek).
To control Hauptwek from the keyboards/pedals you have to connect the organ and your computer via MIDI/USB. Carefull here old digital organs don't support USB, so it is needed an "adaptor" MIDI to USB for the right connection. I use ROMIO II it costs about 39euros and you can get it here in Athens from NAKAS (you know.....). Hauptwerk is a very high quality softwere and don't has any problem with all this. Additionaly it can "read" the kind of organ you use and adjust its parameters to end with a great sounding pipe(virtual) organ right down your livingroom!!
So if you look for a combo(with own amp/speakers) digital organ to use with Hautwerk see if it has AUX IN ! (and midi)
Another critical point here is the reverb. It makes the diference. Organ without reverb is nothing. So, some dig organs can mix their aux in with their built in reverb (mine don't) some no(they just send the signal to the amp). Here comes Jack. Go here to our forum and see what we're discussing with members about GrangOrgue v.2. If you have problems ask me again here.

P.S. Depending on the organ you can have control of the registrations arrangment and of the swell/cressendo pedals, or stop on/of ect (mine can)
P.S. 2. Go to PC Organ.com - It's full of creative information.
your friend, allways
Panos

[Ntalikeris666]

Hi Nick!! Your question fits exactly in my fields and my everyday practice. So listen ,

As I told you in another topic, my organ is the Yamaha EL900 1998 model. It has an amplifier of about 240w and lots of speakers (8 !)and enough connections audio and midi, plus two expression pedals.
Beneath the manuals there is a "placket" with inputs and outputs for both rca and jack cables. One of them is called AUX IN. In this input you can connect the AUDIO output of your computer to hear thru the organ's amp/speakers what is playing(for this question of yours -Hauptwek).
To control Hauptwek from the keyboards/pedals you have to connect the organ and your computer via MIDI/USB. Carefull here old digital organs don't support USB, so it is needed an "adaptor" MIDI to USB for the right connection. I use ROMIO II it costs about 39euros and you can get it here in Athens from NAKAS (you know.....). Hauptwerk is a very high quality softwere and don't has any problem with all this. Additionaly it can "read" the kind of organ you use and adjust its parameters to end with a great sounding pipe(virtual) organ right down your livingroom!!
So if you look for a combo(with own amp/speakers) digital organ to use with Hautwerk see if it has AUX IN ! (and midi)
Another critical point here is the reverb. It makes the diference. Organ without reverb is nothing. So, some dig organs can mix their aux in with their built in reverb (mine don't) some no(they just send the signal to the amp). Here comes Jack. Go here to our forum and see what we're discussing with members about GrangOrgue v.2. If you have problems ask me again here.

P.S. Depending on the organ you can have control of the registrations arrangment and of the swell/cressendo pedals, or stop on/of ect (mine can)
P.S. 2. Go to PC Organ.com - It's full of creative information.
your friend, allways
Panos

Thanks a lot for all the useful information ;-)
I have connected in the past hauptwerk with a Yamaha as well, but i did not know the thing with the AUX IN. My organ is new so there wont be any problems. (I already had a midi to usb adaptor). Though take a look, these are part of the specifications of my organ:

Technical Data and Console

Stereo Audio-Input and Stereo Audio-Output (cinch)

Midi In, Out and Thru


What exactly is the Midi Thru and the stero Audio-Output/input?


As for the organ's reverb, i am a bit against digital reverb, since it renders your organ not natural. The room in which my organ is placed is quite big and has a small but nice reverb. The organ sounds a lot more believable without reverb, since its like theoretically having the pipes above you (the organ has 10 amplifiers and 14 speakers)



Cheers,
Nick

[Dorsetmike]

Midi thru is a directly connected to the midi in so bypassing the circuits in the instrument. If you can wait a few days for delivery, Midi/USB adapters can be bought cheaper from Ebay or Amazon.

Stereo sound requires 2 speakers, left and right, a stereo input could be connected from your PC (virtual organ) or from a cassette deck (example for a recorded rythm accompaniment)

The output could feed to your PC so you can record what you play, or could connect to a more powerful amplifier say for use in a large hall or church.

[Ghekorg7]

O.K Nick.
1. Audio input of your organ is the aux in I told you. One and the same. Here you will put the audio cables from your computer.
2.Audio output of your organ is where you can send the sound of your organ to another amplifier/speaker system (Hi-Fi/Home cinema/Active speakers/studio console ect) and to a recording equipment such as CDrecorder/DVDrecorder/multichannel recorder and so on, to record your music.
3.Midi out. With this your organ controls the "slave" in this case your computer/Hauptwerk and the related programs. "slave" can be also a synthesizer(midi in) of yours, or other midi expander/module ect (allen organs have an exelent pipe organ module)
4.Midi in. your organ becomes slave. Computer rules. But, in a combination of midi in- out of both of them(organ-computer), you can sent your playing to a sequencer in the computer and record events, and when you finnish the computer plays back the events you played using the sounds and registrations of your organ(all this without Hauptwerk, but you can do the same with it - it's a bit more tricky for you right now easier with GrandOrgue v,2)
5.Midi thru.It's what it says:thru. Example : you got a synth, an organ and a computer an you want the sythesizer to control both your organ and computer. Here's the connection : Synth(midi out) - organ(midi in) - organ(midi thru) - computer(midi/usb in). I hope you understand(thru sends data from synth to computer).

About reverb. Nick what I told you(organ without reverb is not an organ) is not mine it's a common view of almost all organists and technitians (Go to Litomysl organ project for hauptwerk and read).
Your room's acoustic can never be the physical place of a pipe organ.
I wasn't talkin about digital reverb, I know its artificial and works best with other kinds of music.
I was talkin about IMPULSE RESPONCE and convolution reverbs. Example :
Earlier this afternoon I played and recorded Buxtehude's "Nun come der Heiden Heiland, Bux211" using GrandOrgue v.2 with Rommansvillier Organ in France heard inside a REAL Midieval church in Italy, or could do it inside Yorks Minster ! Yes. The real acoustics of the specific place. I have played Frescobaldi with my 1720 Blanchet harpsicord inside the Scala di Milano !
We'll need lots of pages to discuss impulse responce, so go to OPEN IMPULSE RESPONCE FREE LIBRARY, among impulses has a page where explains in depth the convolution exisosis. I tell you it's a revolution. Now that I know how to use it, I can live without it, unless I'm in a church everyday, and as you know here the Orthodox Church rules.

Tell me more
your friend
Panos

[Ghekorg7]

Thanks for helpin'out Mike, I forgot the accompaniamet. Its basic too. Also, yes you can have your digital organ inside a church and amplified with your audio outputs to, lets say, two mono power amps(one left, one right) 2.000watts each. That's big enough!
Panos

[Ntalikeris666]

O.K Nick.
1. Audio input of your organ is the aux in I told you. One and the same. Here you will put the audio cables from your computer.
2.Audio output of your organ is where you can send the sound of your organ to another amplifier/speaker system (Hi-Fi/Home cinema/Active speakers/studio console ect) and to a recording equipment such as CDrecorder/DVDrecorder/multichannel recorder and so on, to record your music.
3.Midi out. With this your organ controls the "slave" in this case your computer/Hauptwerk and the related programs. "slave" can be also a synthesizer(midi in) of yours, or other midi expander/module ect (allen organs have an exelent pipe organ module)
4.Midi in. your organ becomes slave. Computer rules. But, in a combination of midi in- out of both of them(organ-computer), you can sent your playing to a sequencer in the computer and record events, and when you finnish the computer plays back the events you played using the sounds and registrations of your organ(all this without Hauptwerk, but you can do the same with it - it's a bit more tricky for you right now easier with GrandOrgue v,2)
5.Midi thru.It's what it says:thru. Example : you got a synth, an organ and a computer an you want the sythesizer to control both your organ and computer. Here's the connection : Synth(midi out) - organ(midi in) - organ(midi thru) - computer(midi/usb in). I hope you understand(thru sends data from synth to computer).

About reverb. Nick what I told you(organ without reverb is not an organ) is not mine it's a common view of almost all organists and technitians (Go to Litomysl organ project for hauptwerk and read).
Your room's acoustic can never be the physical place of a pipe organ.
I wasn't talkin about digital reverb, I know its artificial and works best with other kinds of music.
I was talkin about IMPULSE RESPONCE and convolution reverbs. Example :
Earlier this afternoon I played and recorded Buxtehude's "Nun come der Heiden Heiland, Bux211" using GrandOrgue v.2 with Rommansvillier Organ in France heard inside a REAL Midieval church in Italy, or could do it inside Yorks Minster ! Yes. The real acoustics of the specific place. I have played Frescobaldi with my 1720 Blanchet harpsicord inside the Scala di Milano !
We'll need lots of pages to discuss impulse responce, so go to OPEN IMPULSE RESPONCE FREE LIBRARY, among impulses has a page where explains in depth the convolution exisosis. I tell you it's a revolution. Now that I know how to use it, I can live without it, unless I'm in a church everyday, and as you know here the Orthodox Church rules.

Tell me more
your friend
Panos

Thanks a lot! I dont have any more questions :-)

About the reverb, sorry i did not get your point at first place. Yes i agree that playing an already existing organ without its natural reverb would ruin the organ itself. Hauptwerk and so on, use the natural reverb of the place where the organ is put, so it cannot be considered Digital. I will check also the IMPULSE RESPONCE FREE LIBRARY.

Best regards,
Nick

[Ntalikeris666]

Midi thru is a directly connected to the midi in so bypassing the circuits in the instrument. If you can wait a few days for delivery, Midi/USB adapters can be bought cheaper from Ebay or Amazon.

Stereo sound requires 2 speakers, left and right, a stereo input could be connected from your PC (virtual organ) or from a cassette deck (example for a recorded rythm accompaniment)

The output could feed to your PC so you can record what you play, or could connect to a more powerful amplifier say for use in a large hall or church.

Thanks a lot ;-)

[Ghekorg7]

Hi again Nick, I'm glad I helped.
Do your cable connections 'n stuff and then, If you like, tell me here how it went !
Panos

[Ntalikeris666]

Hi again Nick, I'm glad I helped.
Do your cable connections 'n stuff and then, If you like, tell me here how it went !
Panos

Sure! I will let you know ;-)