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Limitations of MyOrgan

lombardo

New member
Hi all!

Today I finished an ODF (MyOrgan).
It is realy big: 100 Stops in 2 manuals and pedal (30 stops on pedal, 37 on Great and 33 on Positiv).

Although, when loading, appears this message:

"MyOrgan Error
Out of memory loading 'C:\Users\tmn\Desktop\Organ\Recitativo\079 - Koppel Flute 4\061-C#.wav-300000000' "

What does it mean? What do I have to do to load the all stops?

I already tried on GrandOrgue 0.1 and when gets to that stop the window closes itself.

Lombardo
 
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Dorsetmike

Member
How much memory do you have fitted in your PC, I had problems loading the Stiehr Mockers set in 512Mb, I've upgraded one PC to 2Gb and the other to !Gb I still get a memory low warning on the 1Gb machine if I don't close other applications before loading sample sets.

It is not a limitation of Myorgan, it's available memory on your PC. In the Stiehr Mockers set a file for 1 note can be anywhere from 200Kb up to over 1Mb, given 61 notes for a manual that averages about 15Mb per stop but can be over 20Mb, so your 100 stops could need between 1.5Gb and 2Gb, just for the pipes, with other sample sets the memory requirements can be even higher, the Enignma set looks to average about 65Mb per stop.

Myorgan or GrandOrgue itself will need some memory and other applications will need some as well, some you can close but not all, do you have a separate video card or is it intergrated with the motherboard in which case it "borrows" memory from the PC, video cards have their own memory fitted.

Virus protection, Email and other programmes are usually running in the background too, Windoze and the display also need memory.

You need to fit additional RAM memory to cope with a large sample set, for 100 stops I'd go for at least 3 or 4 Gb or the maximum your PC can handle which will depend on your PC and operating system.
 

dll927

New member
With 100 stops, you probably need about two more manuals!! Sorry, but human anatomy makes two pedalboards out of the question.
 

lombardo

New member
Dorstmike,
My Pc has 4 Gb of memory but the problem is that my OS is Windows Vista
In fact my samples have 4, 07 Gb.

I must reduce the number of stops.

Thanks for your help

dll927,
Two pedalboards aren't an impossible mission. Although, expression pedal would be excluded
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Hi Lombardo !
My God what you 've done ! All these stops for 2manuals/ped, I use to see things like that in a four manual console. Very exeptional !
Anyway, I think you will need more polyphony for, I saw your number at 1024 and the new GrandOrgue v.2 can get much much higher. My OS is windows7/intel T4400 fast dual core/2.2GHz/4GB mem/64bit, and GrandOrgue gives me the number 2048 !
I also saw the ...cut offs...creepy I must say. I experienced that with Palma set up for Hauptwek : there are stops half and some out of my screen. I suppose that this set is programmed for standard 4:3 screens and not for 16:9 as mine.
Propably our friend Graham will come up with something sooner or later...
Panos
 

lombardo

New member
Hi Ghekorg7!
My screen is 16:9, too.

I tried my set with Grand Orgue 0.2 and some stops are still cut.

But I have a doubt: More polyphony gives better quality of sound, less latency?

Lombardo
 

ggoode.sa

New member
Hi Lombardo,
(Sorry Guys, I've been moving house this week so I'm still unpacking and don't have much time to spend online!)
Polyphony is simply the number of notes that can be played 'all together at once'. It allows more notes to be played through to the end of their release state (sometimes as much as 2 seconds of sound). It does nothing to the quality of the sound or latency... it simply means that if you select 20 Stops to play and play with both hands and both feet with very fast note changes you will not have notes 'fade out' before they should. Both MyOrgan and GrandOrgue can be configured to play at 4096 notes of polyhony.

Then, in regard to your organ console screen... the trick is to also use the space above the Manuals. Plus, you are only using four columns on either side (and I assume that your "DispDrawstopCols" is set to eight). It looks like you have the space to set it to ten...? Back to the space between the manuals... In the top section of the .organ file find the "DispExtraDrawstopRows=x" and "DispExtraDrawstopCols=x" These set the space above the manuals. It looks like you're already using 3 columns and 10 rows for Generals. Increase your columns and then in the Stop definition sections use something like:
DispButtonCol=1
DispButtonRow=103
(I can't remember off had if 100 is the top row or bottom... experiment a bit and see).

Try a few different combinations and see if this helps... ask more questions too, as I'm sure I've left something out in the explanation...

GrahamG
 
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lombardo

New member
Hi all!

I solved my problem:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_93L0T9HzTM4/S7qKveNi6TI/AAAAAAAAABI/h2hR74YDDdg/s1600/1.jpg

The stops according this table:
__1___2___3__4___5___6__7__8____9____10 11 12
1
2 ________________________ 030
3 _____________________ 022 031 039
4 001 008 015 047 054 061 023 032 040
5 002 009 016 048 055 062 024 033 041 GO/Ped
6 003 010 017 049 056 063 025 034 042 Rec/Ped
7 004 011 018 050 057 064 026 035 043 GO/Ped
8 005 012 019 051 058 065 027 036 044
9 006 013 020 052 059 066 028 037 045
10 007 014 021 053 060 067 029 038 046
11

The solution was 12 cols

Thank you all!
 
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Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Hi Lombardo !
By solving your problem, you give to some of us solutions to ours !
Thanks for sharing
Panos

P.S. For me more polyphony means more quality. Because you can hear more pipes and enjoy most of your organ.That's why Hauptwerk sell their advanced edition expencive !
Cheers
 
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