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    The famous Gabler Organ

    The Gabler organ in Weingarten, is one of the biggest baroque organs left.
    An interesting clip can be found here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9nYTJIh51g

    Along with its many special effects stops, it has quite a strange one , called "La Force" which is a 49 (!) rank mixture which applies only to the lowest C' of the pedals. I am really curious how this stop sounds like.

    I have not come across any clips on youtube in which this stop is used.
    If you have heard it/or found a performance on youtube lets say in which this stop is used, it would be great to post it here.

    Best regards,
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    Found this titbit of info on the onliine Encylopedia of Organ Stops. It's a 49 note mixture that sounds only on CCC.

    It would be interesting to hear a sound clip for this particular stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krummhorn View Post
    Found this titbit of info on the onliine Encylopedia of Organ Stops. It's a 49 note mixture that sounds only on CCC.

    It would be interesting to hear a sound clip for this particular stop.
    Yes, indeed !
    But unfortunately there is not any recordings of it around. :-/

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    A former organ prof that coached me many, many, many years ago mentioned that the stop in question was meant to sound like the crash, not the rumble, of thunder.
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    Thanks for link. Very interesting video as well as Great Music from a fabulous sounding instrument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wljmrbill View Post
    Thanks for link. Very interesting video as well as Great Music form a fabulous sounding instrument.
    You are welcome ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    A former organ prof that coached me many, many, many years ago mentioned that the stop in question was meant to sound like the crash, not the rumble, of thunder.
    I wonder what that might mean,... or lets better say, sound...

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    Let me once more try to explain: When a thunderstorm rolls into your neighborhood and a flash of lightning appears very near you, a very nerve jangling crash like that of millions of crash cymbals precedes the rolling roar. I admit its hard to put into words what the immediate experience is because everything happens so extremely fast - one is startled by the sunlight-intense flash and then the explosively eruptive cascade of sound that follows the flash is more than the mind can handle - usually ones nerves shatter because of it.

    Even whilst writing this I felt cold shock waves traveling up and down my spinal column and goose pimples breaking out on my skin. This because of how often I have experienced lightning very close to my body without being struck. The accompanying rolling/crashing/roar stuns me so.......
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    Let me once more try to explain: When a thunderstorm rolls into your neighborhood and a flash of lightning appears very near you, a very nerve jangling crash like that of millions of crash cymbals precedes the rolling roar. I admit its hard to put into words what the immediate experience is because everything happens so extremely fast - one is startled by the sunlight-intense flash and then the explosively eruptive cascade of sound that follows the flash is more than the mind can handle - usually ones nerves shatter because of it.

    Even whilst writing this I felt cold shock waves traveling up and down my spinal column and goose pimples breaking out on my skin. This because of how often I have experienced lightning very close to my body without being struck. The accompanying rolling/crashing/roar stuns me so.......
    Ok, i think i kind of get it now!

    Still, i would like some time to go there and hear/play the organ myself!

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    The Swabian Baroque organ in Weingarten by Gabler is such a totally different animal when compared to an instrument by Schnitger. The Gabler is such an overwhelming gem of an instrument in design and how it is voiced/finished. Imvoho Gabler's instruments almost are another School of Organbuilding.
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ntalikeris666 View Post
    Along with its many special effects stops, it has quite a strange one , called "La Force" which is a 49 (!) rank mixture which applies only to the lowest C' of the pedals. I am really curious how this stop sounds like.
    Piet Kee did a recording here on the Chandos label. He played a lengthy piece by Bach, which included many variations on a hymn. In the final chord, Piet added the La Force. It sounded like an alarm. Very bright and dominates the full organ.

    I don't think this CD is still in print. It was released back in 1992.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilingvox View Post
    Piet Kee did a recording here on the Chandos label. He played a lengthy piece by Bach, which included many variations on a hymn. In the final chord, Piet added the La Force. It sounded like an alarm. Very bright and dominates the full organ.

    I don't think this CD is still in print. It was released back in 1992.
    I've got that one! GREAT disc!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    A former organ prof that coached me many, many, many years ago mentioned that the stop in question was meant to sound like the crash, not the rumble, of thunder.
    Sounds like the pipe was intended for the theatre organ next door and the courier got the wrong delivery address ... ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contratrombone64 View Post
    Sounds like the pipe was intended for the theatre organ next door and the courier got the wrong delivery address ... ;-)
    Hahaha indeed! Baroque delivery mistakes :P
    (who knows what was next doors) :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathetes1963 View Post
    I've got that one! GREAT disc!
    I am wondering if you could possible upload the track in which the La Force is used.
    That would be really great :-)

    Nick.

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