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    Firstly I would like to thank Graham for advising about the typo and providing a new link. Your hard work and dedication to our community has not gone unnoticed. Your knowledge has provided countless hours of enjoyment for a multitude of VPO enthusiasts.

    To Panos, I do appreciate the info about Reaper and will download and try it out. As far as the triangle sound in HW3, I wanted (as always) the advanced options such as blower noise and honestly I didn't even realize that there was a version without that sound. I assume you are talking about the basic cersion? I will load that version when next I fire up the programme.

    I did download the multi version of GO last night and already have all of the organs you mentioned. My problem has been getting my foot controller to work; it was daunting and intimidating. I've had various people help me with it in the past but when I kept running into a brick wall with it I would get frustrated and walk away from it...for almost a year the last time. But a couple of weeks ago I decided I had the time and inclination to give it a go again and started reading different forums. I found a post from a gent in the UK who described putting together his set up for HW3 using the same foot controller. When I followed his steps - voila! Success was achieved with the toe studs and swell shoe. The crescendo still doesn't act like he describes as he has crescendos general assigned as CC 7 (volume) and the swells general as 27 (user defined). The part I can't seem to understand is what it is defined as? When I start midiox the pedal that should be swells sends a CC 10 (pan) and the other shoe sends CC 7, but the pedals are reversed. So for the time being I have assigned a mod wheel to act as crescendo. Not perfect but workable.

    So I will keep you all informed of my progress and look forward to having some fun and making music!

    Best wishes to you all.
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    Hi Stephen,

    You can use MIDI OX to map either Pedal to whatever it should be sending in regard to CC messages (I assume you can't change the tpye of CC message in the pedal software/hardware).

    Take a look at http://organs.110mb.com/MIDI-OX.htm, particularly the section titled
    Using MIDI-OX to Map CC11 to CC7

    Then you should have a better idea of how to do it...

    The best would be able to configure the CC type within the pedal setup though.

    GrahamG

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    Greetings from Skopelos guys, the place is a paradise !

    Without Graham we would still be in the VPO-middle-ages. His affection and guidance are unparallel.-

    Stephen, about HW3. Though this is a GO thread, I'll tell you what I do with it.
    When you open the (free)programm there are 3options : advanced, basic and free.
    The difference is the number of polyphony.Choose the free option, there's no bell but there is a 256(stereo) voice limit.You can have the blower noise in this version also and all other effects(tracker noise/stop pull/push effect ect). The problem is when you want to load a BIG set.
    Example : Load Muller organ.Is beautiful , even has the church clock ringing !
    Load St.Carlo Antegniatti 1600 organ. If you want full load, HW3 free doesn't allow you to, cause of 1,5GB load limit, so when loading using adjusting option, cut the release samples to lowest of tracker/stops effects and leave full release to the samples of the real pipes. This way you end up with a great load in free option of a great organ, with the limit of tracker/blower/stop effects sounding without reverb effect.
    If you want full organ(with it's effects) to sound with reverb, see my thread "HW using the VSTi version" for details.There I cut all release samples from St.Carlo to save memory and I create environtment with convolution.
    Also HW3 is very easy to "see" what pedals you want to use where(Continuous controls assign ect). In St.Anne's I assigned no.11 controller to crescendo and no.4 to swell. They work perfect. Also in Enigma when I press down no11 I see a spectacular opening of stops one by one 'till full tutti !

    So, to get back to original thread here, that's why GrandOrgue is a great program, has no limits - IT's FREE - of course under constant development, but gets better and better by time, like a good red wine.
    Think this : Stiehr-Mockers extended(new jeuxdorgues2 version) excists as a HW3 version with a great console picture and as GOv2 version. With HW3 free option this great organ sounds great with a few stops on (256 limit), with GOv2 sounds great with a full tutti (in my system goes to 2048.. in better systems, I guess it can go to above 7000 !!! - better than HW3 advanced?) !!!!
    Add to this that if you want to use jack 1.9.5 to "put" SM in a bigger Cathedral, with HW3 in 64bit is not possible, only in 32bit, but then there is the 2~3GBram limit....
    GOv2 can work perfectly with Jack and you can have SM sounding 1000% better in a large Cathedral.Then Hw3 has more quality in some sets due to 24bit/48000 samples, but this to is gonna happen to new sets for GO. I believe we can all help to achieve this goal.

    So, the prefference goes to GO (for Free programs of course) and it's free sets.

    Keep us posted with your advance !

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    Wow, this is some great information. Graham, the foot controller is programmable and I have programmed it several times, but haven't tried using CC 4. It does put me into a quandry at times, as I programme a CC 11 and it sends CC 10. I was thinking it might be possessed, lol. I'll give that a go and report back. I also appreciate the work-around concept you suggest via midiox. I guess I hadn't really realized how much midiox can do.

    Panos, you are deserving of a huge hug for the info you provided to me. Once again, I really had no idea that I had this capability right in front of me for over a year. I am excited to put into action what you have just told me.

    And to think that all of this can be enjoyed via free programmes is in a word, AMAZING!

    It's hard to express the appreciation to everyone here. And, of course, thanks to Frederick for having this wonderful site. Here, here.
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    Hi Stephen,

    The MIDI standard has some quirks... one of those quirks is that it is sometimes 'zero' based and at other times 'one' based. What this means is that sometimes you will see MIDI Channels 0->15 (zero based), and on another MIDI system you will see MIDI Channels 1->16 (one based). So your hardware might be zero based (going from CC0->CC127) which would explain why programming it for CC11 shows up as CC10... If this is the case then programs like GrandOrgue, jOrgan, and HW will see that 'CC10' as 'CC11' messages. So the question is what is the first property '0' or '1'.

    Just a bit of background that might help

    GrahamG

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    Thanks Graham,

    Once again, this is something that I have read before but must have not connected the dots in my mind. I'm going to give it a try when I turn on the music computer.

    Now I am wondering if I should connect my laptop to my music computer for even more power. One of these days I would still enjoy getting the GS3/Miditzer organ working, too.

    Just wondering, would you suggest swapping my delta 1010lt for a couple of creative cards?
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    Hi Stephen,

    Maybe we should start another thread for the GS3/Miditzer users so that there would a step-by-step approach for that as well

    Don't swap your delta 1010lt - it is one great card! If you have spare PCI slots you can add a creative card or two and have the best of both.

    GrahamG

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    Hi guys. Great company here, indeed, but this is a GrandOrgue Free sets Index thread

    Anyway, Stephen I'm so glad from what you say in your posts and as Graham said don't throw away your Delta, it's very good. Here at Yamaha, technicians they keep telling me about Steinberg cards.....In September when I get back to Athens, I;ll get one to see how GrandOrgue can go with it, my problem is that I'm stuck with convolution reverb and I don't know if I can use my SIR2 with an external card, along with GO.....
    Something must be wrong with me, as I have MidiOx (and LoopBe1) and I just can't manage to use them.. maybe this month after some good swimming and cycling in the island my mind will clear up !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghekorg7 View Post
    Great help here Graham, about Delta .I think this is a similar aproach to get Jack work with other soundcards as well.

    Stephen we're close on systems workin', so try REAPER its free for 30 days and then you decide if you keep it, I believe it's the best , I just stucked with it, the manual is about 480 pages !
    I have 4GB ram also in fast dual core and probably I 'll go for a i5 or i3, i7 stuff in 8GB, though some guys here insist on Mac with 16GB....

    How can you live with demo mode in HW3? This bell doesn't drive you crazy?
    I use the free version of HW3 with 256(stereo..) voice limit. If I want more I use GOv2 with 2048 polyphony along with SIR2 convolution reverb(has a great cathedral in 4 channel true stereo...) linked together with Jack 1.9.5, following Graham's instructions to Asio4all driver. Also I work with jOrgan3.9.4 and Bernd Caspers CC2.0, SBO and NGBO organs with 1024 polyphony (in my system) and the 4 Silbermanns of Pastor Stratman.

    Get the multi version of GOv2 and all free sets listed in this thread and make your own big organ set combining 2,3 or even 4 of the smaller sets ! link them with Jack if you want some extra reverb. It's fun !

    I hope you get your pedalboard soon and taste the real thing. TIP : I use my pedals not only to play organ bass...get some cellos/bass synths/trombones/timpanies whatever you like and then..open a new page in Computer/midi world - I did mixed GO with SM set and EWQL synphony orchestra in my 2man/ped toaster...I enjoyed much !
    I'm 48 and I don't think I'm gonna stop, ever....So I believe you're in a very good path at 50. Now the fun beggins !

    Cheers and greetings from sunny&green Skopelos Island
    Panos
    Hi Panos,
    I had a go with rerouting my audio system yesterday in order to get the elusive subwoofer working. When I use the Yamaha DSP unit and perform the speaker tests, all of my speakers produce sound. The LFE test does, in fact, produce sound from the subwoofer. Still haven't quite gotten the intricacies of the Delta 1010lt down correctly. I have tried a speaker test using all choices: from channel 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8, spd, multichannel.

    When testing with all but multichannel, the sound is loud and clear but of course, restriced on output to those channels. If I select the multichannel option and run the speaker test, I hear the entire test and see it on the mixer of the delta control panel. The sound is reduced about 40% compared to the other options. However I still cannot get any sound this way to come out of the subwoofer.

    I did download Reaper (32 bit) as well as the free version of Hauptwerk to experience the sound with no bells. (Thanks for the tip)

    I also got the multi-instance of GO and have just about all of the organ samples you have mentioned, except for those currently unavailable. I will play with all of it today and try and get it all working together. Getting excited.

    I also decided to try out each of the sequencer programmes, i.e. Ableton, Sonar, FL Studio, Sony Acid Portable, Cubase 5 and compare to Reaper. Once I decide the easiest to use I will uninstall everything else.

    I cleaned up my external terrabyte e-sata drive on my music computer and now I have about 800 gigs available. I had a backup copy of all our CD collection (600 gigs) but deleted it as it is also residing on 2 other external drives: one attached to one of my computers and one on Joe's, so 3 copies is more than overkill.

    When all is said and done, I will be able to custom build some pretty wonderful sounding organs. Naturally I will keep you all informed.

    Thanks for all of your suggestions.
    Stephen

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggoode.sa View Post
    Hi Stephen,

    Maybe we should start another thread for the GS3/Miditzer users so that there would a step-by-step approach for that as well

    Don't swap your delta 1010lt - it is one great card! If you have spare PCI slots you can add a creative card or two and have the best of both.

    GrahamG
    Hi Graham,

    I believe you are correct about starting a GS3/Mitizer thread as it was, after all, the entire reason that I purchased my delta 1010lt. I am bound and determined to get that working as well.

    As it turns out, I have several slots available in my music computer for future addition of more cards. I believe I have enough room to add 4 more cards in there, so 2 of those will wind up being creative in order to utilize the sound font bank method.

    I have to say, thanks to you, I was on your SAVPOP site the other night and by following the links I wound up at the cinema organ samples site. I listened to each piece until 2am. I could not get over how some of the pieces just keep on going, providing us with mini-concerts. I especially loved the Victory at Sea rendition under the 3/27 expansion series. And the Paramount series was intoxicating to me. I downloaded everything possible. I would love to download those songs and create a playlist for when I am in the mood to hear theatre organ music for a couple of hours. I even shared the links with my 80 year old mum who raised me on this type of music. She is in heaven listening. Again, thanks for your site.

    Your project is a wonderful one.

    The Paramount site has beautiful music as well. The Trumpet Tune in D is beautiful, and the tangos just thrill me.

    So just give me a little more time to experiment and then I will start a thread on the GSO/Miditzer.

    I even decided to get another 2 gig flash drive and try the puppy linux route. I hope I am not biting off more than I can chew, but that would be my normal modus operandi anyway. It reminds me of a song by Shirley Bassey, "If There's a Wrong Way To Do It" lol. I'm confident, however, that any obstacles encountered will be met with support from you, Panos, et al.

    Here's to making more and more music!
    Stephen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghekorg7 View Post
    Hi guys. Great company here, indeed, but this is a GrandOrgue Free sets Index thread

    Anyway, Stephen I'm so glad from what you say in your posts and as Graham said don't throw away your Delta, it's very good. Here at Yamaha, technicians they keep telling me about Steinberg cards.....In September when I get back to Athens, I;ll get one to see how GrandOrgue can go with it, my problem is that I'm stuck with convolution reverb and I don't know if I can use my SIR2 with an external card, along with GO.....
    Something must be wrong with me, as I have MidiOx (and LoopBe1) and I just can't manage to use them.. maybe this month after some good swimming and cycling in the island my mind will clear up !!

    Cheers
    Panos
    I would be interesting in hearing how it works out for you with an external card. I did purchase an Audigy X-fi 5.1 USB for use with my laptop, hoping to recreate the beautiful sounds/options I used to have with my Sigmatel 92xx C-Major driver and the suite of Creative Audigy Advanced MB that came with the custom built Dell XPS lappy. But after upgrading the OS, unfortunately, the EAX that was so beautiful is a thing of the past now, along with Bass Managment.

    My problem with the external Creative card is one that EVERYONE on the web seems to have had for years: snap, crackle and pop sounds that are more than annnoying. I tried so many work arounds and eventually just disconnected the 5.1 USB and it is sitting in a drawer unused. Good thing it was only $100. Trying to regain the advanced MB from Creative has been a nightmare. I paid twice to get a new license but they are so screwy. When you install and it takes you to their site to enter the registration code you wind up with an error. Calling their tech support number listed only tells you to return to the web. It's like a dog chasing its tail. So frustration won out in the end. I can still use a Sigmatel/IDT driver and IDT has a great control panel, but the EAX reverb options are just not there.

    Of course, I have so many different reverb choices from all of the other apps I have, (churches, cathedrals, halls, studios, redline reverb and on and on. And with the Yamaha DSP amp, as you know, one can enjoy so many options of venues.

    I am excited to have a go at it now with fresh eyes.

    BTW, the GO index is a great idea! Thanks.
    Stephen

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    Hey Panos, I see that your thread's been "promoted" to a sticky one - congratulations.
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    Hi guys !
    I just got a link....it seems I lost some episodes here

    Mat, Thanks, our admin team decided that sticky thing and I'm very pleased indeed, but mostly because all GO fans can have , thru us, a confirmed reference place for their needs and get the answer they want fast and accurate !
    Thanks also to the unknown guy who voted 5 stars !

    Stephen thank you for your great info replies !
    It's a strange thing this with your sub in Yamaha DSP amp....
    I'm not in Athens so I cannot perform a speaker test with my similar one, you have to wait 'till September (!), but my sub is an active one and I have set the filter to 120hz (as far as I know the human ear can't tell the direction of sound below 120hz....) and works great in all situations, GO sets pedal combis included. This setting works OK with my 4 JPW English studio monitors and my Sansui center spealer, for optimal overall sound. But I cannot use it as much as I want with GrandOrgue, 'cause is our familly center system and has some other important uses

    I hope you like Reaper as I do (I unistalled everything else), I just want them to add a notation editor (even if I have and work with Sibelius 6) !

    I know what you mean with creative.....
    One of the reasons my guys at Yamaha Athens insist to me about Steinberg...is the aftersale service thing. I just can take the bus from home and after 20 min or so I can have my problem solved. Especialy they insist after I told them about VPOs, their special needs and GrandOrgue....

    I hope & wish you get big time with Multi GrandOrgue and all the sets
    Waitin' your Midiger thread as well, I got 216 & 150 but I left them for two reasons :
    1.I cannot get an optimal fluidsynth setting for this *%^#@!+<** latency... I can't play like this.
    2. The Paramount set for HW3.....it's just great, what can I say. maybe in the future we can build a great theater set for GrandOrgue, like the Freedom set Graham did for jOrgan.

    One more thing : Grand Orgue has a great power in latency settings. In my system I go down to 4ms before destortion!!! and reduce the overall volume to 14~16 !! and I don't use the loseness memory option....

    Try SIR2. With GO I got a happy wedding

    My battery goes low
    I have to go....

    Cheers
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    Hi Panos,
    Thanks for the info. Am googling SIR2 to find out about that. And, ahem, you are welcome for the 5 star rating as I am the "unknown guy" that rated it thusly. And it absolutely deserves this rating.

    Thanks to you and Graham as well as countless others, I am really learning a lot here.

    Am off to learn about SIR2 now.

    Cheers!
    Stephen

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