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    I get a kick out of calling electronics "toasters". Wonder who came up with that one. How about deep-fat fryers?? These days, no matter the type, without electricity we would be back to the old manually operated bellows. Plenty of exercise for the poor guys back there doing that.

    It occurs to me that Cavaille-Coll, to say nothing of Silverman, would be dumbfounded by today's consoles. St. Sulpice, St. Ouen, or St. Sernin may have been state-of-the-art in their day, but the art has certainly changed. What, no pistons?? How dare they do that!! A while back I ran into a thread about St. Clotilde (Franck's baby) describing the organ and registrations as they were at various times and different organists. The most recent version has, down in the nave itself, a modern four-decker that I'm sure Cesar would have loved. Notre Dame Paris long ago lost its Cavaille-Coll for an electric action one (Toaster???) We've come along way, baby. But there are a handful around that are still as they were built in the 1800's.
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    dll927! I can tell you "who came up with that one", my Scottish ancestors.
    The prophesied global language of Proper English, as defined by Scottish publishing,
    is understood by me.
    You know toast. You know using a fire to make bread into toast.
    Doing the same thing, only with electronics, makes it a toaster.
    You might think that's too easy, so here's another one.

    You know ice and freezing. You know old ice boxes.
    Using electricity makes it a freezer, a new word in the fifties,
    just extrapolating as Proper English. Saying "freezoid" isn't Proper.
    And it is a little shameful to admit a Scotsman invented deep-fried Mars Bars.

    You are truly fortunate not to be so authentic, original, with online use,
    or you'd have developed an internet psychic sense, now wired world-wide.
    Yes, Watt and his wire made you either wired or weird, but anyway,
    it's bothersome when a pre-nuclear composer enters my brain.
    All that humanity blows me away more than an atom bomb.

    If all you're catching is some dumbfounded thoughts, good for you.
    When Nicolo Paganini starts false harmonic whining about digital violins,
    he can make the guts of a cat curl up.

    I had the toaster my grandmother bought when they first came to Canada,
    made in Montreal. It worked up until two years ago,
    but that was me, sitting it sideways to toast up treats that sometimes leaked.
    I'm still using the soldering gun my father received as a wedding present, 1949.
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    I have actually played an Allen which earns the name "toaster" quite legitimately. To the organist's right of the console, there is a large closet. In that closet are racks and racks of oscillators, tube (valve) oscillators. When it is chilly in the church, one can "toast" oneself in there. So despite my fellow Canadian's delightful dissertation, I'm afraid the epithet refers to early electronic organs. With nice toasty warm tubes (valves). And with lots of them. As in early Allens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert View Post
    I have actually played an Allen which earns the name "toaster" quite legitimately. To the organist's right of the console, there is a large closet. In that closet are racks and racks of oscillators, tube (valve) oscillators. When it is chilly in the church, one can "toast" oneself in there. So despite my fellow Canadian's delightful dissertation, I'm afraid the epithet refers to early electronic organs. With nice toasty warm tubes (valves). And with lots of them. As in early Allens.
    I had a Conn 904. It didn't qualify as a toaster as it was transistorised but the house lights would dim when I turned it on. Apparently it was very expensive. It sounded awful. I gave it away and went digital.
    Mick Berg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Berg View Post
    I had a Conn 904. It didn't qualify as a toaster as it was transistorised but the house lights would dim when I turned it on. Apparently it was very expensive. It sounded awful. I gave it away and went digital.
    Mick Berg
    I used to work in a music store that sold Conn's, Wurlitzer's (spinet models ), and Allen's. This was in the late 60's before any digital models were even available. The Conn was okay for theater music, but for classical sound it was "awful" - tinny noise ... and the Conn 'pipes' only made matters worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krummhorn View Post
    I used to work in a music store that sold Conn's, Wurlitzer's (spinet models ), and Allen's. This was in the late 60's before any digital models were even available. The Conn was okay for theater music, but for classical sound it was "awful" - tinny noise ... and the Conn 'pipes' only made matters worse.
    Right. The Conn pipes are valuable collector items now. You can keep 'em AFAIC.
    I was lucky, the 904 came with a lovely console (Klann/Moller) that is the basis of my GrandOrgue organ.
    Mick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Berg View Post
    . . . I was lucky, the 904 came with a lovely console (Klann/Moller) that is the basis of my GrandOrgue organ.
    Mick
    Superb reuse of a console. Very nice

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    As we are talking toasters I should mention that the original 904 console burned up! Which is why I have the Moller/Klann.
    Now there's a real toaster for you!
    Mick

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