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    Impossible dynamic markings, bizarre!

    http://imslp.info/files/imglnks/usim...ung__Op_68.pdf

    There are plenty of examples of crescendo and diminuendo markings in these pieces that are simply not possible ... (the first and second bar of "Folk Song" on page six is a classic example). Why would Schumann bother??
    I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.
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    He forgot to write it out for the violin or clarinet perhaps??

    Unless it was a psychological thing (could have been with him, you never know) - frustrating students for years to come into thinking "How can I achieve that? By imagining it and hope the audience catches on as well?"

    Written as it is, it's doable on a synth with aftertouch such as the Yamaha CS-80. Maybe Robert knew something we didn't ...

    Seriously, I don't have the answer, it's certainly strange to be sure.
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    Matt, he was a strange character, I am however very fond of his music. I listened with rapt attention to your city's wonderful orchestra play his symphonies, a couple of concerti and the decidedly odd Genoveva overture, last weekend. Goodness me, there was a stage years ago where I'd never listen to the Adelaide Symphony ... not so any more, they are inspired!
    I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.
    —Albert Einstein.

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    <> marking in music ...

    From the Dolmetsch online music dictionary:
    swell, closed hairpins (over a phrase) or closed accent (over a single note): to increase volume and then die away in the duration of a single note or short phrase
    also called messa di voce (Italian) or mise de voix (French)
    more from the same source:
    in nineteenth-century German non-vocal music the < > sign can represent a stress or accent as opposed to a crescendo followed by a decrescendo music.
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    Lars - interesting!
    I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.
    —Albert Einstein.

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    Let's see:

    Schumann
    - 19 century? check
    - German? check
    - non-vocal music? check

    Guess that solves that little problem Still seems a bit odd on the surface - why go changing things like that when the good old > had served well for so many years? Mind you, one could say the same about a great deal of inconsistencies within the arts.

    There was clearly a slightly tortured soul behind the wonderful notes of Robert Schumann, that he saw out his final years in an asylum would be testament enough to that. It seems obvious to me that he found his solace in music - the simplistic beauty in so many of his works belies what must have been going on further inside his head (as it does for so many!)
    Last edited by Soubasse; Oct-15-2010 at 02:31.
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