Releasing resampled commercial set for free?

[Jay1]

Would it be considered piracy to release a resampled version of a high-profile commercial sample set?

I've been working on one particular (encrypted) sample set which can be demo'd for HW3, resampling it for GO. It's taken some work as I'm a complete neophyte at this but it's coming along very nicely.

Seeing as the prices of these sample sets are somewhat outrageous and out of most peoples'financial reach I was wondering if it would be considered inappropriate to release the work to the community when it's done. It would still be for GO, so all the benefits of HW3 are lost, but for all intents and purposes you get to play the sample set in its original presentation.

Would be good to spread the goods around in the community. I'd like to hear your thoughts.

[JayR]

Jay,

As a person who never reads the license agreements on electronic media, even I would have to suggest that redistributing a commercial sample set in any way, without permission from the owner/publisher of the original samples, would violate the license agreement. However, if you do inform the owner/publisher of the original sampes of your intent, and they give you written permission to redistribute your altered set of samples for use with GO, then I believe you are in the clear.

Good Luck with your project!
Jay

[ggoode.sa]

Hi Jay1,
I'm sure that when you downloaded and installed the demo sample set that you had to agree to a license. That license probably forbids you from resampling, sharing, using in public & a few other things... So, yes, this would be seen as piracy. Now if you went and recorded the same organ & created your own set from that - their license would not apply.
GrahamG

[Ghekorg7]

Hi Jay1.
Both Graham & Jay have right.
But you can always ask the owner of the set !
There are some of them who maybe don't mind if you do it. Of course they will ask for some terms ect, but is better to try... you'll never know!
Say your intentions clear.
If you keep your work to your self everything is fine - you can share it with some of your friends in private, but this is illegal too....

It's just the way it is.
That's why works like Burea and JeuxD'orgues are golden treasures.....

Cheers
Panos

[Clarion]

Would it be considered piracy to release a resampled version of a high-profile commercial sample set?

What rights do commercial vendors really have?? They didn't create anything. They just copied someone else's creation, the pipe organ builder's; and and are now marketing copies of the organ builder's creation without securing permission nor paying royalties.

[Ghekorg7]

What rights do commercial vendors really have?? They didn't create anything. They just copied someone else's creation, the pipe organ builder's; and and are now marketing copies of the organ builder's creation without securing permission nor paying royalties.

A point here for further discusion Clarion !

There are some serious vendors that secure permission, I know.
Some of them are saying that some of the money go to the church = the owner of the real organ. But do they? We have to believe that, no?

On the other hand the real creator is the real organ builder, but he too in the past did his masterpiece just to get payed by church (= the owner who ordered the work) not to starve or just as a compensation for his work.

Things are more complicated today I'affraid..

regards
Panos

[Clarion]

On the other hand the real creator is the real organ builder, but he too in the past did his masterpiece just to get payed by church (= the owner who ordered the work) not to starve or just as a compensation for his work.

Which adds a whole new wrinkle to the scenario. If the church paid the builder to create something; which upon completion and payment without any kind of licencing agreement, then the organ becomes the sole property of the church, with all the rights and privileges of absolute ownership attached thereto!

[ggoode.sa]

What rights do commercial vendors really have?? They didn't create anything. They just copied someone else's creation, the pipe organ builder's; and and are now marketing copies of the organ builder's creation without securing permission nor paying royalties.

If the church paid the builder to create something; which upon completion and payment without any kind of licencing agreement, then the organ becomes the sole property of the church, with all the rights and privileges of absolute ownership attached thereto!

Most musical instruments become the property of the purchaser, and the rights and privileges to perform and record it come with those rights. To say that Steinway should receive royalties for all the recordings that their pianos feature in would be viewed as silly. Now we know that each organ is a unique instrument, and that the person who built/restored was able to create his own 'flavour' of pipe organ sound... but the principal of 'instrument' applies. Compensation/Payment was given.

For me, I cannot begrudge sample set creators from charging for their samples. The work that goes into recording, reducing the blower noise, tuning the samples, creating the loops and releases, and then creating the organ definition file is huge! I know because I have been involved in the release of two sample sets (and I'm still working on a few others). I have worked with a group of people - so we have shared the work, and have been able to release under a free license.

So for me, the commercial vender DID create something. In fact they did a lot of work to create something. And for many of the commercial sample sets, the church that 'owns' the organ did get a payment, or gets a percentage of the sample set sales.

My personal problem is the high cost of many of the commercial sample sets. It seems to me that more people would purchase the sets at a lower price, and therefore the sales of the set would bring in more revenue (people have to eat!).

All the best,
GrahamG

[Jay1]

Hi Jay1.
Both Graham & Jay have right.
But you can always ask the owner of the set !
There are some of them who maybe don't mind if you do it. Of course they will ask for some terms ect, but is better to try... you'll never know!
Say your intentions clear.
If you keep your work to your self everything is fine - you can share it with some of your friends in private, but this is illegal too....

It's just the way it is.
That's why works like Burea and JeuxD'orgues are golden treasures.....

Cheers
Panos

Hey Panos,

What's this Burea set you speak of? Is there a link somewhere I can check it out?

Cheers

[ggoode.sa]

Hi Jay,

We're in the middle of uploading then next Beta version of the Burea Church sample set, so give us some time to get that done. This next release will have the 63 rank extended version, so it is well worth the wait!!

GrahamG

[Ghekorg7]

Hey Panos,

What's this Burea set you speak of? Is there a link somewhere I can check it out?

Cheers

Hi Jay1,

I thought you knew about Burea....it lays in our forum for quite a time now ! See the post has the link to Lars' site !

But as Graham says, we all wait now for the newer version, some birds told me (with details....) that's gonna be amazing.......
So wait a bit.... by the way : Indeed go to Lars site ! First to meet the man and wonder a bit to the little gems this site has. Second, There is the small im/p organ of the Burea Funeral church. Is a very good free set and worth having. you can this way get a small taste of what's Lars' work and Grahams'....."post production"

have fun !
Panos

[ggoode.sa]

Hi Guys,

See http://www.magle.dk/music-forums/119...re-church.html for the updated sample set!

GrahamG

[Jay1]

Hi Jay1,

I thought you knew about Burea....it lays in our forum for quite a time now ! See the post has the link to Lars' site !

But as Graham says, we all wait now for the newer version, some birds told me (with details....) that's gonna be amazing.......
So wait a bit.... by the way : Indeed go to Lars site ! First to meet the man and wonder a bit to the little gems this site has. Second, There is the small im/p organ of the Burea Funeral church. Is a very good free set and worth having. you can this way get a small taste of what's Lars' work and Grahams'....."post production"

have fun !
Panos

Sorry for my ignorance but who is this Lars you speak of and can't you simply link the website? You see, I am new here.

[Ghekorg7]

Hi Jay1

Lars' site is where you got the Burea set !
Now has a picture of him in front of his' 3m/p red/silver "craft" !
A nice one Lars !

regards
Panos

[L.Palo]

Thanks Panos!

I'll keep improving the site, and there will be more samplesets coming. I already have a few more organs recorded and another small one is in it's finishing stages!

I'll eventually rebuild the keyboard stack to make my setup even more organ-like. Now the distance between the manuals is too great to be ideal, but it works.

Kind regards

Lars P