Where do you draw the line?

[Dorsetmike]

Is this Jazz, R&B or rock and roll?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmNcw2rt1J4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcxBLiKpRm0

Whatever - I like it, pure nostalgia, 1950s in the Air force in the evenings sat in the NAAFI canteen with this Earl Bostic or Les Paul, Billy May, Stan Kenton and many others blasting out over a Tannoy speaker from 78s.

[teddy]

I think the line should be drawn by individuals taste and preference Mike. One mans blues is another mans jazz and to try and draw definivite lines between then will not work. Listen to what you like and enjoy and do not try to analys it too deeply, in case you lose the magic. Its like looking at a girl you find beautiful, and wondering why you find her more beautiful than the girl standing next to her, or worrying whether your friend will find her beautiful. Who cares. Just enjoy.

teddy

[gord]

thanks mike, earl bostic flamingo, that record just happens to be the very first one i ever bought. that was 60 years ago, i played it 1000s of times, i loved it then and still do today. it was the reason i started to listen to jazz. nobody will ever convince me, that is not jazz. gord

[JHC]

I agree gord it is Jazzzzzz, Earl Bostic eh a name that sticks, but I must admit that while enjoying his music which was played at all of the Dances that I used to go to I have not 1 of his records, and what is teddy up to?? blues is jazz or was when I was a young un.

[OLDUDE]

Hi guys,
For me "jazz" has many flavours and the 2 tracks by Earl Bostic would qualify within the "swing" flavour.

Cheers John

[teddy]

Earl Bostic eh a name that sticks,?

Oh Colin, you are a one

teddy

[JHC]

Hi guys,
For me "jazz" has many flavours and the 2 tracks by Earl Bostic would qualify within the "swing" flavour.

Cheers John

Yep a Broadway hit, pop song, Samba becomes Jazz when played by a jazz group but John how would you describe the difference between swing and jazz?

[Dorsetmike]

Yep a Broadway hit, pop song, Samba becomes Jazz when played by a jazz group but John how would you describe the difference between swing and jazz?

Difficult;

Swing to me implies mostly "big bands"as epitomised by Basie, Ellington, Herman, Miller and Goodman among many others. Playing mostly from arranged scores usually including some improvised jazz solos. A few of the big bands play less jazz but still swing, e.g Elgart, Billy May, Lunceford, Ted Heath. The ones I don't rate as swing or jazz are the ones with lots of whingeing strings - Mantovani for example.

Where do you place Jools Holland, he calls his lot a Rythm and Blues orchestra, but he's got some good jazz players, his boogie woogie piano is possibly one of the best around today, when you can separate it from the full orchestra.

Jazz implies smaller groups, solo up to 7 or 8 performers, much more improvisation, less arranged.

True jam sessions are probably the purest form of jazz, the nearest they get to arranging is agreeing on the key and tempo.

Having said that it is probably impossible to strictly categorise things, small groups can perform swing, larger bands can play jazz.

[JHC]

I think you got it covered MiKe

[JHC]

The kiss of death eh Mike

[John Watt]

"Earl Bostic, a name that sticks".
That's a very riveting line.

That's also a jazz tune that reminds me of mild Gene Krupa.
Did you ever get into "The House of Blue Lights", mumble songs and muted trumpets?

[teddy]

Looked this up on spotify John and found quite a lsit of artists OR was it the name of a band? Found an interesting version by Ella Mae Morse. Lots of piano but no muted trumpet.

teddy

[John Watt]

I am a real musician and singer, but when I see online stuff like that, I wonder.
I wonder if anyone can possibly have enough human intellectual resources,
to take more complex music like this and sample it and use it properly enough to build a song.
I've never paid to record, for all my love of Jimi, and really never wanted to.
It's always good to leave a recorder on when you're jamming, enough for me.

But I am a non-recorded artist, and qualify as an entrant for any new performer contests.
I'm getting up for that, with my new semi-solid-body electric guitar invention, and stereo amplifier system.
and.... and.... I'm willing to drag magle.dk along with me.

I sold my trumpet, sigh.... it looked so good, and made me look so good, just having it.
But my trumpet playing will never be anywhere near as good as my imitation trumpet playing.
Not only straight, or muted, but getting some tongue in there too.
And just for you... a little cheek.

[JHC]

Yep, nothing like blowing your own trumpet

[teddy]

Did you ever get into "The House of Blue Lights", mumble songs and muted trumpets?

John was this a band or a piece of music?

teddy