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    Resemblance

    Can you hear it between these two excerpts?
    Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent.
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    I would have to agree there is a certain resembalance between the two pieces but certainly not the same piece, at least to my ear. What is the link Mat

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    B seems 100 years older than A but indeed the melody sounds very similar.

    Martin, not a connoisseur...just an amateur

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    The link is that both these excerpts come from symphonies. Different symphonies, of course.

    B is ~40 years older than A.

    Anyone care to guess what pieces we're talking about?
    Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent.
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    Top one is from Schuman's Spring Symphony (I think) and
    Bottom one is from Beethoven's 2nd symphony

    Never realised just how similar they are!!
    I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.
    —Albert Einstein.

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    You almost got it right, David. But the top one is Schumann's 4th, not 1st. Last movement, to be precise. As played by Cleveland Orchestra, conducted by George Szell. The bottom one comes from Beethoven's 2nd, indeed. Performed by Berlin Staatskapelle, conducted by Barenboim (you like these details, don't you, Colin? ).

    The similarity is striking. Wonder if it's purely coincidental...
    Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent.
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    Hey Mat, just listened again, yeah Schuman's fourth it is, wonderful.

    As to the similarity - who can say? Beethoven had only been dead a relatively short time when this was composed BUT without the aid of CDs how often would Robert have heard his music? Liszt's arrangements for piano hadn't surfaced at that time.
    I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.
    —Albert Einstein.

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    Here's another one.

    What piece does this excerpt come from and what does it sound like to you?
    Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent.
    -- Victor Hugo


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    Okay, how about one more Beethoven-Schumann pair?

    The first clip comes from the Leonore overture no. 3 (1806); followed by the beginnig of first movement of the piano concerto (1845) and the ending of second mvmnt by Schumann.
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    Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent.
    -- Victor Hugo


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