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  1. Mar-21-2011, 18:22 #1
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    Smile Entartete music (Degenerate)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_music

    I love this music! Franz Schreker, Alexander Zemlinsky, Kurt Weil and others...They also composed many operas.

    Please tell us your experiences, your tastes...
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  2. Mar-21-2011, 23:55 #2
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    As the article is in obvious need of citation and references I'd not pay any attention to it whatsoever. Such is the mess that is vomitted up on Wikipedia and profered as fact, foolish the person who reads it and believes.
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    I know I think more than a bit of this

    Quote Originally Posted by Contratrombone64 View Post
    As the article is in obvious need of citation and references I'd not pay any attention to it whatsoever. Such is the mess that is vomitted up on Wikipedia and profered as fact, foolish the person who reads it and believes.
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    If you were really interested I'd tell you what I know...But I don't think you are interested in it...Your other interventions were always mocking...In my opinion, you are not willing to learn anything from me...you already know everything and that is perfectly ok...You can look for it in another sites, they are key composers. As you can see...I'm learning to read between lines...(as you have suggested)...I am an open minded guy...I'll continue learning all my life...



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  5. Mar-22-2011, 14:32 #5
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    The solution?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0714IbwC3HA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alban Berg View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_music

    I love this music! Franz Schreker, Alexander Zemlinsky, Kurt Weil and others...They also composed many operas.

    Please tell us your experiences, your tastes...
    Martin



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    http://holdekunst.com/degenerate-music/ seems to be a serious site...

    some relevant excerpts:

    Entartete Musik (“degenerate music” in German) is the epithet invented by the Nazi regime for music they deemed ideologically (or ethnically) objectionable.



    Web Resources

    Degenerate Music (Teacher’s Guide to the Holocaust)
    Nineteenth-century psychologists introduced the term degenerate or entartete to describe any deviance or clinical mental illness. Later a broader definition was applied to include scientific literature (medical, biology and anthropology). By 1933 Hitler’s Third Reich referred to the mentally ill, communists, Gypsies, homosexuals and Jews as subspecies of the human race…

    Then...those composers were Jewish: Mahler, Zemlinsky, Schreker, Weil were the main representatives of this "segregation".

    To be followed.

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    Martin, your points and arguments on this matter are well taken indeed. Hang in there!
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  8. Mar-22-2011, 21:06 #8
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    Smile Danke schön

    Quote Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
    Martin, your points and arguments on this matter are well taken indeed. Hang in there!
    Martin, answering in the easiest language!!!!!
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  9. Mar-23-2011, 05:16 #9
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    Alexander Zemlinsky (1871-1942):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hiJOp7gxjM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0snAu0HWLo&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K-34IvkpoI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMcOYgTKNwk&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7B0fcgL4W0&feature=related

    Enjoy,

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  10. Mar-23-2011, 05:33 #10
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    Awesome Schreker: one of his best operas...the prelude...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IMU4rfCUtE

    Isn't this incredibly beautiful?

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  11. Mar-23-2011, 07:42 #11
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    such uplifting and soaring music.. never heard this before. I must listen to the rest of the links there..Thanks
    " The essance of reproduction,to feel and re-create that which was felt and impared by the creater,does not exclude- within natural limitations-the assertion of creative power" - Dr. Hugo Goldschmidt.

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  12. Mar-23-2011, 07:47 #12
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    Since this is the Opera Forum Thread I must add my $0.03 cents worth - Das Wunder der Heliane by Erich Wolfgang Korngold is as ultrahyper-romantic as they come - So much shamelessly schmaltzy ooze, and so wonderfully orchestrated to boot
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    0.003 cents seems to be not very high....LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    Since this is the Opera Forum Thread I must add my $0.03 cents worth - Das Wunder der Heliane by Erich Wolfgang Korngold is as ultrahyper-romantic as they come - So much shamelessly schmaltzy ooze, and so wonderfully orchestrated to boot
    Indeed, this opera is wonderful!..schmaltzy ooze, I don't understand the meaning of this...Of course he composed many other beautiful operas, his first one, Violanta is refreshing....Der Ring des Plykrates and Die Kathrin are less good but still

    This guy was lucky because he went to USA and started composing sound tracks...Zemlisnky and Schreker died in their mysery.

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  14. Mar-23-2011, 20:40 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alban Berg View Post
    Indeed, this opera is wonderful!..schmaltzy ooze, I don't understand the meaning of this...

    Martin

    Schmaltzy ooze: Like a thick honey-amber goo that is sticky like heck and ultrasweet too - N.B. my transliteration of the term
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  15. Mar-23-2011, 21:19 #15
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    Korngold:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEs3GMEAqYA&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLn71WIbJsM

    Zemlinsnky, a wonderful symphony:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LnZxJBONhI&feature=related

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