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    Thumbs up Hauptwerk 4 is up !


    Hi to all.

    Tuesday 19 of April, Hauptwerk version 4.0.0 is ready and out !
    Download links are just two and there's a helluva traffic there.....
    Still cannot finnish mine.... Starts and stops ..... Installer is about 2.1GB long

    But I got the release and features pdfs and from what I read this is a milestone version.

    A totaly new St.Anne is included, 3GB with all modern features !
    Onboard Midi recorder / player and workin' without any midi interface : just the computer ,HW4 and the midi files.
    Improved HW1 import, now all those older but beautiful organ sets can have HW4 features ! Of course this will need re-import of them.
    Midi learn at last !!! just a right click and you're done. Also Midi output not only in andvanced but in every version.
    Real time reverb output and advanced VST/AU links.

    Transision from 3 to 4 is smooth as HW site and pdfs declare, we will see all this in action.

    Ah, There's the free version too, for us who used it in v.3.30, with some more extras than before.

    All these and more. I remains to taste them when...... download ends !
    I'll report back, as soon as I got the first sounds of St.Anne heard.

    best
    Panos

    PS, hey I'm not related in anyway with Milan digital ect. This is just an info report for all HW fans.
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    Hey Panos,

    Thanks for the news. Do you happen to know if you have to uninstall older versions before installing HW4?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat View Post
    Hey Panos,

    Thanks for the news. Do you happen to know if you have to uninstall older versions before installing HW4?
    As far as I read the release notes pdf installation is going to be over existing installations (others have HW2studio version , 3.22 ect, advanced or basic or even free - like us -) and new HW4 will see what's going on and will install the appropriate version. Even those with the USB key connected can get a new code via mail from Milan digital.

    So, for us with the free edition is easy. Just install v.4 over v.3.30 and will get what is intended for free edition - like re-importing some HW1 sets and get some HW4 features like temperament and tuning and midi out.... -

    Still 5 hours to go..... unless HW site cuts again the link cause of traffic, just one link and with 20b/s when normally I get 5 links with 1.800b/s !

    best
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    Yeah, I don't think I will resist much longer... I'll probably download it as soon as the traffic reduces. I'm especially tempted by this MIDI learn feature you mentioned. And the refreshed [?] st. Anne.
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    Just install HW4. It will remove/overwrite any previous version.

    Pete

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    Thanks Pete !

    Still I'm stuck with download, I got 480MB so far from 2.17GB total. This time at night here, is day/afternoon in USA, so the traffic is horrible. Cannot get access...
    I'll try tomorow when it's night there.... he he

    Matt, the new St.Anne is a new recording ! Martin revisited Moseley and the new set (that's why new HW4 is 2.17GB) has got new stereo recording of pipes, multi loops and multi releases !! wet and surround.....
    Cannot wait to get my hands on !

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    After 37 hours spread well into 7 days with one link and 0.1 to 53bps.... (instead of 5 and 1800 to 2200 broad band...) I finally got HW4.0.0.724 !!!!!!!! 2.17GB installer for windows.

    It took me 40minutes to play the first note on St.Anne, mailny because HW4 needs to clear any previous version (HW3.30 here). All went OK, no probrlems. Exept my antimalware warned me about HW's need to install data for USB dongle.... what to do.

    What beauty is this !
    I played the last 24 hours with it. Too many functions to mention here, a very long post is needed. But,

    For free version users and those who still want to play with their loved HW1 sets (like Roquemaure, Marienkirche, Smecno ect) but also with many other beautiful HW2 and 3 sets without combination pistons and /or couplers, HW4 has them for us !!!! for any set loaded !
    Midi Learn is a dream, just right click, hit the controller we want, even computer's keys, done, and that's it !

    Great recorder both audio & midi on separate window. Also Audio & midi window for easy volume control, ram consumption, CPU, everything at hand.
    Great full screen option and the new GUI can load broader GUIs from some sets that in HW3 were not to be seen completely, at last I saw them all and could work with all stops ect :-)

    One thing is missing for HW1 sets...... they still cannot be used with different temperaments.... why? it's a shame....

    The sound is wonderfull, and the whole concept is more a player's software, more friendly and easy.

    St.Anne new is a totally different organ. Even has multi attack samples/releases.
    Mat , if not already tried, you'll be very happy with, carefull though as it is big and with free version's 256 limit there's a tail sudden cut on full stop ect.

    Now the HARD part. hmmmmm

    That one needs a lot of work.
    Milan Digital did a totaly new design on VSTi version, sending sys ex VST link. Luckily REAPER supports such a thing and the manual has long tutorials on how we can make it work, also with Cubase, Sonar and Cakewalk. (Thanks guys !)

    I'll treat this issue later in deep, but as far as today, I found it very tricky. Is totaly different from what we knew so far, actually we cannot see a HW4 VSTi inside Reaper, they work in parallel, and virtual (or hardware>>>) midi cables are needed.

    Maybe this is a better way, will see. Real time reverb can be applied this way and full support for multi audio (16 stereo audio ch in Reaper....) but I'm curious if I can work with HW and EWQL symphonic Orch the way I did with HW3.

    One thing that is definately not possible, is to open a Reaper project with HW in and the set opened on the spot along with Lexicon and other instruments. Manual load of the set is needed now and outside Reaper..... hmmmm

    It was nice before , as I used to have a desktop icon of a Reaper project, containing a HW organ with Lexicon, or SIR2 and by just double clicking I got my organ set in my hands in just seconds in my prefered environment and ready to record if needed.

    This given, I'll keep my Free version of HW3.30 as VSTi on my second laptop as I got many many projects with this setup and I do not want my work to be wasted, even for the best VPO program today (HW4).

    Thank God I got 2 laps and I do not break also the lisence, as these are two different HW versions.

    Overall a winner and the best there is.
    More posts will follow, evaluation continues....

    Best
    Panos

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    Panos,

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghekorg7 View Post
    After 37 hours spread well into 7 days with one link and 0.1 to 53bps.... (instead of 5 and 1800 to 2200 broad band...) I finally got HW4.0.0.724 !!!!!!!! 2.17GB installer for windows.
    Hmm, That's strange. I downloaded HW4 for the first time on Monday, I guess. After the download had ended, I got an error, couldn't install anything and threw it out eventually. But what's important is that it only took me three hours to get it on my HDD. The second time I downloaded it, it all went OK and soon after I got it up and running. It also took me only three hours to download it, with average speed of 200kb/s (with my current ISP, my max. download speed is ~ 270kb/s).

    It took me 40minutes to play the first note on St.Anne, mailny because HW4 needs to clear any previous version (HW3.30 here). All went OK, no probrlems. Exept my antimalware warned me about HW's need to install data for USB dongle.... what to do.
    Actually, it has got a very neat installator that'll guide you through, step by step. What I liked the most about it was the [semi-]automatic keyboard configuration. All so easy!


    Midi Learn is a dream, just right click, hit the controller we want, even computer's keys, done, and that's it !
    That's the feature I've missed the most ever since I installed HW3. Now, that I upgraded, I can program my keyboard just the way I like it.

    St.Anne new is a totally different organ. Even has multi attack samples/releases.
    Mat , if not already tried, you'll be very happy with, carefull though as it is big and with free version's 256 limit there's a tail sudden cut on full stop ect.
    I sure have tried it. Though I haven't noticed the cut off on full stop yet.


    That one needs a lot of work.
    Milan Digital did a totaly new design on VSTi version, sending sys ex VST link. Luckily REAPER supports such a thing and the manual has long tutorials on how we can make it work, also with Cubase, Sonar and Cakewalk. (Thanks guys !)

    I'll treat this issue later in deep, but as far as today, I found it very tricky. Is totaly different from what we knew so far, actually we cannot see a HW4 VSTi inside Reaper, they work in parallel, and virtual (or hardware>>>) midi cables are needed.

    Maybe this is a better way, will see. Real time reverb can be applied this way and full support for multi audio (16 stereo audio ch in Reaper....) but I'm curious if I can work with HW and EWQL symphonic Orch the way I did with HW3.

    One thing that is definately not possible, is to open a Reaper project with HW in and the set opened on the spot along with Lexicon and other instruments. Manual load of the set is needed now and outside Reaper..... hmmmm
    ^^ I am very, VERY dissapointed with this. And also glad that you brought it up. I tried to get HW to work with REAPER to no avail. I copied the HW's .dll file into REAPER folder (just as it was with HW3) but still couldn't get it to work. Now I know why. You are frightening me with those virtual MIDI cables... How do I get my head round it? A step-by-step tutorial perhaps?

    It was nice before , as I used to have a desktop icon of a Reaper project, containing a HW organ with Lexicon, or SIR2 and by just double clicking I got my organ set in my hands in just seconds in my prefered environment and ready to record if needed.
    I used to do the same with this shortcut icon, hehe. A bit lazy, aren't we?

    I don't know if you remember but when I first got the Enigma set it turned out that my PC was not good enough to run it smoothly. I had to upgrade, which I finally did. I now got 4GB of RAM, a new CPU and motherboard. And now it wokrs without glitches. Unfortunately, after the upgrade, I had to reinstall Windows, which resulted in losing all my program files, including SIR2... That's a shame as I really needed this reverb.

    Anyway, I should get back to HW4. So many features I have to discover yet.

    Cheers
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    Hi Guys,

    You don't need the virtual MIDI cables to run HW4 VSTi linked from Reaper... you need to configure the HW4 MIDI input to the VSTi input, then configure your VSTi host with your MIDI keyboards, and Viola! HW plays what you play in Reaper.

    In regard to Reaper finding the VSTi link dll, don't copy the dll, add the folder to the VST search option and reload the VST search after clearing the cache... I did that, tested a simple 'just with HW4' in Reaper, got that working successfully (yes, set the audio in HW4 to VSTi, and the MIDI to VSTi), then after the test I loaded a saved session (that also used PLAY with some choirs) and that work first time without changing anything in Reaper.

    This is a mindshift that needs to take place for using HW4 - what I suggest is
    1) Run HW4, set audio and midi to the VSTi options, load your organ
    2) Run Reaper
    3) Load a VSTi track, selecting the HW4 VSTi linker
    4) Set your MIDI options for the Track,
    5) Play some notes

    Then if it is not working let us help troubleshoot....

    Kind regards,
    GrahamG

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggoode.sa View Post
    Hi Guys,

    You don't need the virtual MIDI cables to run HW4 VSTi linked from Reaper... you need to configure the HW4 MIDI input to the VSTi input, then configure your VSTi host with your MIDI keyboards, and Viola! HW plays what you play in Reaper.

    In regard to Reaper finding the VSTi link dll, don't copy the dll, add the folder to the VST search option and reload the VST search after clearing the cache... I did that, tested a simple 'just with HW4' in Reaper, got that working successfully (yes, set the audio in HW4 to VSTi, and the MIDI to VSTi), then after the test I loaded a saved session (that also used PLAY with some choirs) and that work first time without changing anything in Reaper.

    This is a mindshift that needs to take place for using HW4 - what I suggest is
    1) Run HW4, set audio and midi to the VSTi options, load your organ
    2) Run Reaper
    3) Load a VSTi track, selecting the HW4 VSTi linker
    4) Set your MIDI options for the Track,
    5) Play some notes

    Then if it is not working let us help troubleshoot....

    Kind regards,
    GrahamG
    Thanks Graham !

    I'll try it out.

    Also as I posted, HW manual has a very good tutorial on how to configure new VSTi Link with Reaper, and also to get real time reverb.
    As I read needs many steps.....
    But nothing we couldn't work out.

    The most missing things is that also Mat said, no automatic load of everything with just a click on a Reaper project....

    Test go on

    Have fun
    Panos

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    Disappointed with new St Anne's

    I use the free St Anne's organ in HW to make my digital organ sound better. I regret downloading HW4. The resampled St Anne's organ sounds like a 1980s digital organ. The voices are 'cleaner' sounding, but the decay (or whatever you call it) after releasing a note, is removed. Is there any way to bring that decay sound back, through HW controls, or am I out of luck? I'm not referring to "reverb," I'm talking about the abrupt drop-off sound characteristic heard in the earlier St Anne's.

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    Hi Bach Organ Amateur !
    If it is recorded this way , then there's no way to get release samples (not the reverb).
    But, there are so many great sets out there why to stick with St.Anne's ???!!!

    For example, Haverhill Binns (demo full working) is far better as an English organ example and studio Willis 12 (free).
    Try new Zwolle Schnitger (demo full working) or the faboulous new Smecno full original reconstructed version (free-Demo) with 13 super stops !!!
    to name a few.
    If you are as your name suggests, then these last two are great for Bach !! Why English ?

    And another two great sets, full and free, for baroque music and not only : Burea Church 3m/p and Romansvillier 2m/p.

    Best
    Panos

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    Reply to Panos

    Thanks for your suggestions, Panos. I will try those out. It will have to be something free. Although I do play mostly Bach, I don't care if the organ is baroque. My main concern is how "pipey" the sound samples are. Most sampled organs don't sound very realistic, and I think it's because they are recorded too far away from the pipes to capture enough air and chiff sounds. I have read that Sonus Paradisi and OrganART Media take closer samples than Milan and the others.

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    Hi again BOA !

    OK I get now what you need. Indeed , as I too play Bach, Bux, Pachelbel, Bohm, Couperin, Dandrieu, Rameau ect , the sets from Jiri (Sonus P) and Dr Maier (OrganArt) are the most realistic if not just like a real pipe organ sounds. Now depending on the set you can get the position of hearing, aka from the console or from the audience. Possibly the best of them all IMHO....

    My main sets here are :
    Smecno 1587 new version (HW3) which is a free demo FULL WORKING set. Great sound..... Please try it out and play some of your favourite Bach 1m/p pieces !
    St.Maximine new version (HW3) Positiv only (with pedal coupler) as free demo. Beautiful...
    Velesovo 2m/p demo, works great for choral and some other works (get it now !!!)
    Schnitger 17c from Zwolle new version free demo. Can be arranged from a 4manual/p that is into a great 2m/p. Ideal for Bux... Spatial environment.
    All the above are from Jiri, who made us some great gifts (all are free and work in full, but with less stops than the straight commercials) and as far as I know from him we can play with them as long as we like !! If you're a good player, sent some of your recordings to Sonus. They will be very happy about - I'm not related to any way with Sonus !

    The set I really love is the old HW1 Roquemaure freres Jullien 1690 2m/p organ set (extended version) from Dr.Maier. BEAUTY !
    Is not free though, and expensive for a HW1 set. :-( I got it as a gift from a friend organist in Germany. Lucky me.....

    Next and very very good for Bach is the latest Burea Church set for HW3. Free as a bird. Lars took the samples (hard work....) and along with GrahamG released a 1st class set for us to enjoy. 3m/p and any kinda stop you need for Bach. Sounds beautiful and with HW4's (free ed) advanced features, we can stick with it for a long time :-)

    If you ever go to actually buy something, the best choice for Bach and considering what is offered on what price is the older (and great !) Grosshartmannsdorf G.Silbermann 1741 organ set from PipeLoops. Works with free edition of HW even if it's encrypted. Friberg Cathedral (Jiri again....) is the top one but very very very expencive and needs HW adavnced full version (Dongle key) to be played OK.

    Last, my very humble contribution to Grand Master's works is my own German Baroque Organ (GBO) for jOrgan. See the relative thread here. The one you'll find in my site is the older one , but still the main version. I'm working on it on a Mk.II version, better, with some reeds added and most important Asio driver compatability for zero latency.
    Try it out if you like, not HW yes, but jOrgan (mystic power.....) and FREE for all, under GNU v3.

    List can go on for days, so I stop here and we can talk again after you try something of the above and give food for more discussion !!!! :-D

    Best
    Panos

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