the beatles vs The rolling stones

[marval]

Well I can't say I was a mad fan of either and I was around in the swinging sixties, (my swiging days are over.)

But I did prefer the Beatles, I do actually have the Sgt.Pepper album, The Rolling Stones never did it for me, I went to school with a girl who loved The Rolling Stones, she had everyone of their records. Now for the confession I was more intoThe Monkeys.


Margaret

[Grace]

unfortunatly i was born too late and i couldn't see the (young!!) beatles or rolling stones live concert but i think that it would be a wonderful experience.
it's impossibile to give an objective preference 'cause they've both opened people minds and each group has his peculiarities..that is the reason why i have two different opinions..

[intet_at_tabe]

Well I can't say I was a mad fan of either and I was around in the swinging sixties, (my swiging days are over.)

But I did prefer the Beatles, I do actually have the Sgt.Pepper album, The Rolling Stones never did it for me, I went to school with a girl who loved The Rolling Stones, she had everyone of their records. Now for the confession I was more intoThe Monkeys.


Margaret

Miss Margaret - Hey, Hey with the Monkees . Let´s swing.

For those of you who did not live in the swinging sixties, The Monkees was a group of four guys, who first appeared on an USA TV show, but soon rose to stardom close to The Beatles and The Rolling Stones - in the USA.

Funny thing is The Monkees had a huge hit in the late 1960´s, with a song they did not write themselves (they couldn´t) called "Last Train To Clarksville".

On one of my 16 Cassandra Wilson albums, the one titled "New Moon Daughter" she sings this song in a very different editon from the same by The Monkees, and yet the first time I heard it on this album, I could easely remember The Monkees when they sang it.

Goes like this, now all together with one voice:

Monkees Song Lyrics

Last Train to Clarksville. Words and Music by Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart

Take the last train to Clarksville, And I'll meet you at the station.
You can be be there by four thirty, 'Cause I made your reservation.
Don't be slow, oh, no, no, no! Oh, no, no, no!'

Cause I'm leavin' in the morning And I must see you again
We'll have one more night together 'Til the morning brings my train.
And I must go, oh, no, no, no! Oh, no, no, no!A

And I don't know if I'm ever coming home. Take the last train to Clarksville.
I'll be waiting at the station. We'll have time for coffee flavored kisses
And a bit of conversation. Oh... Oh, no, no, no!Oh, no, no, no!

Take the last train to Clarksville, Now I must hang up the phone.
I can't hear you in this noisy Railroad station all alone.
I'm feelin' low. Oh, no, no, no!Oh, no, no, no!

And I don't know if I'm ever coming home. Take the last train to Clarksville,
Take the last train to Clarksville,[repeat and fade]

For you and me Miss Margaret from a time of our lives, when we were in "Swinging London" and made all the dance floors unsafe.

[marval]

Hi Intet

Of course we made the dance floors unsafe.

Well I had to sing along to the song didn't I, unfotunately it was with a cup of coffee in my hand. I used to be a Davy Jones fan.

Mind you they do say that if you can remember the sixties you were not there, not enough pot smoking to make you forget.


Well I am a believer.


Margaret

[intet_at_tabe]

Hi Intet

Of course we made the dance floors unsafe.

Well I had to sing along to the song didn't I, unfotunately it was with a cup of coffee in my hand. I used to be a Davy Jones fan.

Mind you they do say that if you can remember the sixties you were not there, not enough pot smoking to make you forget.

Well I am a believer.

Margaret

Me to Miss Margeret - I am a believer. So to bring it all back to you from www.Wikipedia about the Monkees:


The television show first broadcast on September 12, 1966 on the NBC television network and lasted for two seasons (58 episodes). The final primetime episode ran on September 9, 1968 (see List of The Monkees episodes). Modeled on The Beatles' theatrical films A Hard Day's Night and Help!, The Monkees featured the antics and music of a fictional pop-rock group. Due to the massive success of the records, and the public's expectations, the four Monkees became a real pop group. The series was sponsored by Kellogg's Cereals and Yardley Cosmetics of London.

The four young men who became The Monkees were British-born David Thomas ("Davy") Jones (vocals/percussion/guitar/{drums-live only}), Hollywood native George Michael ("Micky") Dolenz Jr. (vocals/drums/keyboards/guitar), Texan Robert Michael ("Mike"/"Wool Hat") Nesmith (guitars/vocals), and Peter Halsten ("Peter Tork") Thorkelson (bass/keyboards/banjo/guitar/trombone/vocals), who had lived with his family in both the eastern United States and Canada.

Let´s dance Miss Margeret!!

[robinahood]

The Stones for me every time, 'cause when they go into the studio to record, they record more or less 'live' as they really sound which perfectly catches their raw rock energy. They have no need to faf around with studio effects to enhance their sound, in a zenny way they JUST ARE.
The only real and good thing about the Beatles was JL, no wonder PM was crap after him and without him, ie the sickly poppy stuff like 'Band on the run', and the cheesier 'Mull of f*in Kintire' and 'Frog chorus'. And yet I believe 'Mull of Kintire' was his biggest seller around the world which really tells of the the bland tastes of most people.
JL was the only real rebel and 'rocker' in the band who wore his heart on his sleeve and said things that needed to be said.
Keith Richards is the ultimate guitar riff god, you just no what's comin' when you here... bapba bababa baba ba bapba and 'satisfaction' is guaranteed! The simple statement taken to the level of genius in that he can reproduce classic recognizable riffs like that day after day, for him it's like breathing, for the rest of us its just bloody hard work coming up with even a decent catchy one.

[methodistgirl]

I know that one band is as contraversial as the other but I like the Beatles
they were popular when I was just a little girl. I was about four years old
when I first heard Yesturday.
judy tooley

[intet_at_tabe]

The Stones for me every time, 'cause when they go into the studio to record, they record more or less 'live' as they really sound which perfectly catches their raw rock energy. They have no need to faf around with studio effects to enhance their sound, in a zenny way they JUST ARE.
The only real and good thing about the Beatles was JL, no wonder PM was crap after him and without him, ie the sickly poppy stuff like 'Band on the run', and the cheesier 'Mull of f*in Kintire' and 'Frog chorus'. And yet I believe 'Mull of Kintire' was his biggest seller around the world which really tells of the the bland tastes of most people.
JL was the only real rebel and 'rocker' in the band who wore his heart on his sleeve and said things that needed to be said.
Keith Richards is the ultimate guitar riff god, you just no what's comin' when you here... bapba bababa baba ba bapba and 'satisfaction' is guaranteed! The simple statement taken to the level of genius in that he can reproduce classic recognizable riffs like that day after day, for him it's like breathing, for the rest of us its just bloody hard work coming up with even a decent catchy one.

robinahood

Great to have a true The Rolling Stones supporter here.

[robinahood]

Thanks intet-at-tabe, I guess you can tell I'm passionate about the stones and especially Keith's just heavcenly groovi' riffs.

[intet_at_tabe]

Thanks intet-at-tabe, I guess you can tell I'm passionate about the stones and especially Keith's just heavcenly groovi' riffs.

robinahood

Keith Richards in the Stones could actually play the guitar very well. He was a much better guitarist than creditted for, and he has done some solos, which is still in my mind all these years. He and Mick Jagger were both the anchor in the band from the beginning back in the 1960´s. Keith Richards also was the "director" on the stage. He decided what to play and when to finsih the songs and the gig itself. If there should be an encore and what they would play.

Obviously Mick Jagger always got the most attention as the singer and for his sencual body-work while singing, and then of course for having been born with the biggest mouth in rock, also outside the studios in the yellow papers and for having prostitutues planned for on any venue.

Bill Wyman (el. bass) was more or less anonymus, on the stage too.

Charlie Watts, sorry to say - not the best drummer in the world, not even in England, not my favourite drummer at all. But he definitely knew how to use the high-hat and the snare drum.

Brian Jones, who passed away early on because he OD´ed from drugs, not anything like the later lead guitarist Mick Taylor, damn good guitarist MT of course with the blues in his blood. MT, who replaced Brian Jones, was excactly what the Stones needed at that time to get over the loss of Brian Jones - a great new guitarist. Reviewers in the papers actually at that time spoke of Mick Taylor as the new Eric "slow-hand" Clapton.

I remember, they gave a concert in Hyde Park in honor of Brian Jones. The park was growded with people and the concert was televised throughout Europe, very emotional but at the same time an extremely good concert in fact one of the very best, giving Mick Taylor, who was still a teenager as far as I remember, the very best conditions and launch in his new band.

Mick Jagger unlike the rest of the band, quitted his drugs and alcohol abuse years ago. Keith Richards unfortunately didn´t manage, not for alcohol neither. His latest scandale trying to climb a palm tree, which changed the next Europe Tour to begin six months later than programmed. Bill Wyman left the group years ago, and Charlie Watts began playing drums, like he used to do prior to the Stones - in various jazz groups, like Ginger Baker (The Cream) had done it for years.

The new guitarist/el. bassist Ron Wood post Mick Taylor had and has an incredible lust/addiction for English beer, so notorius that it has brought him to rehab. centres for years anywhere on the planet, not being so lucky to quit.

However, The Stones belong to a certain part of my youth, when rock was hip and new post rock and roll, like The Beatles did and The Stones are still rockin´, so I am pleased that you robinahood has the Rolling Stones as the best band.

We mostly played The Stones when having school parties, because they as a band were much better to dance to, and the girls seemed more free and open for private stuff later on, having heard and danced to The Midnight Rambler or Honky Tonk Woman.

[beaver]

i have to say that even the rolling stones themselves would say BEATLES!

[methodistgirl]

The Beatles were a big influnce on a lot of the other brittish rock bands
like the one I'm listening to now Electric Light Orchestra and even Pink
Floyd and these two are really great bands. Right now I'm
playing Living Thing along with ELO with my guitar.
judy tooley

[intet_at_tabe]

Sorry off topic:

PINK FLOYD, a chapter of it´s own in Brittish rock in the 1960-70´s - The Dark Side Of The Moon for instance.

I can recollect my exact emotions, where I was, who I was with, what the room looked like, when listening to the beginning of this AWESOME album the very first time in 1973. Beside The Beatles it was the Floyd for me for many years, especially the concerts and the psychedelic light show.

Funny thing is, they first became known to the world in 1965, playing music to someone elses psychedelic light show in London, England at clubs like The Marquee, the London Roundhouse and the UFO Club.

David Gilmour (vocals, guitars, composer) was not a member then. The group in 1965 was Syd Barrett (vocals, el. guitar, composer), Roger Waters (vocals, el. bass, composer), Richard Wright (piano, organ, synthezisers, vocals, composer) and Nick Mason (drums, percussion, vocals).

Piper At The Gates Of Dawn - A milestone in the experimenting music from 1967 was the first album by the Floyd, a real borderliner breaker in the Brittish underground Rock movement in the late 1960´s , while the Beatles and The Stones sold millions of albums in Europe on the traditional rock & roll scene.

Unfortunately for Mr. Barrett, he had to leave the group in 1967, because he was addicted to the drugs and one acid-trip to many, according to Nick Mason at the time, Syd vanished from the face of the earth mentally, his eyes had the same look as a shark - empty, like there was no Syd anymore.

David Gilmour replaced Syd Barrett and from then on the group was identical to the group PINK FLOYD the world of music loved, because they were always different from anyone else.

I still have the old vinyl records - all of them. The albums Meddle - Obscurred by Clouds - The Dark Side Of The Moon and Wish You Were Here still rank higher than most other albums IMHO. Unlike most people around the planet, I was never very excited with the music from The Wall, though this album and the film they made partly as a cartoon realy got wings to fly by, when the Berlin Wall which had parted the two Germany´s in two for so many years, was broken down in 1989 by citizens from both sides of Germany. But then Roger Waters had not been a part of the group for years after a heavy court dispute between Roger Waters and the remaining Pink Floyd members about who had the right to use the name PINK FLOYD, when Roger Waters went solo after the last PINK FLOYD album The Final Cut.

[robinahood]

Like you intet-at-tabe, I loved all of PFs records until The Wall. I just didn't get why people went mad over it. I found its lack lustre monotoned delivery with simpler repetative rythmic structure of music and lyrics more like a theatre play than the more inspirational and creative stuff up to then.

And Beaver, I don't think the Stones themselves would say that the Beatles were better, I really think they're above that. The Stones have remained true to their art form of blues inspired soulful rock, which in fact is the essence of real rock derived from rock 'n' roll which in its simplest form is speeded-up blues. I love it when Mick plays the harmonica, sucking bend notes from an A to compliment a Keith's blues based guitar riff in E, it's simply a marriage made in heaven. Also when Lennon sang, he sparked and he meant it, that's ROCK n ROLL! Whenever you hear Paul singing, even now, it doesn't sound like he's ripping his heart out and throwing it on the floor for you all to see as was the case when Lennon sang.

Anyway, that's enough from me. But if you want to hear a real rock voice that's unpretentious or cliched today then there is still Jagger of course, but also Dave Grohl (Foo Fighters), Thom York (Radiohead), Mark lanegan (Screeming Trees) and my favourite voice of all at the moment Roman Kozlowski (Symptom). It does'nt matter what style of rock these guys play, you just know when you here them singing, the hairs stand up and you know they bloody mean it and have lived it whatever it is they are ttrying to express in their song.

Interesting debate
Be well
Robinahood

[jerry condrey]

hey folks
my name is jerry and i'm new here.i grew up in the sixties,and being the son of a dj,was exposed to all the new stuff that came down the pipe at an early age.believe me ,although the stones were a great band,the beatles were more innovative,better singers,songwriters,the whole nine yards!sales? not even close.to my ears,the beatles were more like a celestial choir,while the stones were more gutteral.so, in my humble opinion,this debate is really no debate at all.thanks and i apreciate your time.
jerry in nc
sports radio host