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    Admiral of Fugues Contratrombone64's Avatar
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    Transposing, doing my head in.

    Firstly, before I ask the question; be assured I really DO understand transposing instruments as I played the B-flat clarinet and alto saxophone in school. I also understand how to write for the Horn in F (up a perfect fifth).

    The following is Finale's rather limited list of predefined transpositions, one can create them from scratch if needed (exactly my point). It's a given that m3 equals minor third and M2 equals major second, and P4 equals perfect fourth ... and so on.

    A instrument (e.g. A clarinet)...(A) Up m3, Add 3 flats
    B flat instrument (e.g. clarinet, trumpet)...(Bb) Up M2, Add 2 sharps
    B flat instrument-treble (e.g. tenor sax, bass clarinet)...(Bb treble clef) Up M9, Add 2 sharps
    D instrument (e.g. trumpet)...(D) Down M2, Add 2 flats
    E flat instrument (e.g. E flat clarinet)...(Eb) Down m3, Add 3 sharps

    I was trying to figure out the formula (based on the above) for horn in D flat and Horn in E (as I'm working on a Sullivan score which uses those crooks). But my brain just performed a CTRL-Alt_Delete whilst processing the data.
    Last edited by Contratrombone64; May-18-2011 at 08:57.
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    My initial thought was down a semi for the D-flat Horn and down a major 3rd for the E Horn, then I thought "hang on, they're horns!" I would assume D-flat Horn up a major 7th and E Horn up a minor 6th (I'm at home and my orchestration books are at school)!
    Based on that coding above:
    Db = Up M7, add 5 sharps
    E = Up m6, add 4 flats

    Hope that's right ...

    EDIT: Just checked those very instruments in Sibelius and that's exactly what it did, so all being well with Finale, that formula should hopefully do it.
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    Hey Matt, I'm amazed that Sibelius actually has predefined settings for horn in Dflat? (Horn in E I can understand as it was qutie a popular instrument often paired with the horn in F).
    I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.
    —Albert Einstein.

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    The new version of Sibelius has definitions for instruments I'm still looking up to find out about!!
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