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    This is most enticing. Corno Dolce represents the best of online musical commentary for me, almost feeling confrontational at first, only because of my academic weakness. When someone could use so few words for a reply that not only circumscribed everything I typed, but pushed me with a small elaboration, how can I repay that? Maybe I finally broke through.

    Here in North America, and especially coming back from England, it's always about slavery and cotton fields and the ensuing blues. Wanting to approach music within that cultural confine as redefined by Hollywood and New York, who preferred to own their own copywrit version, totally ignores the local reality, native Americans. Who do you think first assimilated themselves, if even through poverty, slaves upon slaves. One-third of the population in the American west was of African descent, even if movies didn't even begin to represent that. You can't blame that on just black and white t.v. Much of the blues reflects that, especially the "heartbeat" drums. You don't have to think, say, as the descendent of Rus Cossacks, that your heartbeat is the same. Everyone is different. But North American natives used percussion as trance and dance, letting this unite their heartbeats in a tribal rhythm. One outsider amidst a tribe of natives would get into that, just like birds of a feather flocking together, or whales that travel as family for generations.

    I woke up, still planning my "old wave" performance and the recording of it, but I was still thinking "old age", what I began typing above even after titling it "old wave". Maybe I just had my first "middle-aged moment". That might work onstage, being not just forgetful, but rediscovering my more sexy youth through addled female approaches. I know women who say, after a man has been fondling their breasts, "That's okay, he's like that". That also worked for others in rock bands when I was in my twenties, usually a drummer.

    Handing out pamphlets and brochures wouldn't be part of an old wave performance, unless the performer was selling them or collecting a profit. No freebies, saving the trees. A showcard on an easel, perhaps an extension of the performer's artistry, would be best.

    What makes this enticing for experienced and professional musicians is the level of self-indulgence this represents. People are expecting you to show up with no paper music, not hauling in big rigs, mostly using what's there, especially for keyboardists. This is interesting, very interesting, another form of lesson, for listeners. They can hear what it sounds like and see what it takes to get the sounds and music out of an instrument that is in their realm, something they can try themselves. Despite all my less than blatant self-commentary here, I had more musicians ask me to play their guitar to see what it sounded like, than asked to play mine. But that's okay, being left-handed has this as a benefit, if I want.

    Perhaps more than any actual performance aspect, being able to introduce yourself to your audience, what are the available venues, might be the best part. You get to say your name, saying others for thanks if you want. That might not sound like much, but it's not, uh, "Hey Magle! yeah Rock on!", and the listeners laugh, thinking "this is Harmony Central". Yeah! See you later Noo Yawk! That's not dignified enough. Now if Fred Astaire or the dancing daughter of a listener or venue employee wants to dance along, you can easily add a human element lacking on big rock stages and the content requirements, to much legals, of recording venues.

    Sometimes I felt more like talking, before I felt like playing, standing up there looking the audience in the eye. It's nice when you can relax yourself, getting off without restraint, making that big first impression in a relaxed way. You should want to relax your audience, so you can hit them harder later. Why start yelling out loud just to say hello, when a little lei goes a long way?

    I feel extravagant with words. This excites me, a new career opportunity, on piano. Other people made me an old wave musician. And even up north, amongst the Inuit, in a world where the light for our eyes is blinding, seeing more, seeing more colours, what is an old wave for them, in the air? They told me a caribou, walking by on migration, might be startled by a bear or hunter, emote, and be gone. The next year, caribou passing by would notice his fear in the air, and make haste. They told me sounds could be frozen, and voices from the past could be heard. When the ice you are standing on groans so loudly in agreement, it's easy to believe. And when the ice makes sounds of cracking coming at you, you better run, before a rogue American ice-breaker comes your way.

    That's something you might be able to extrapolate on, Mr. Corno Dolce, what technology is feasible as old wave, and what isn't. I see being able to sing a song, preferable your own, especially singing along, as a part of it. You know how the public made it difficult for jazz and classical players who grunted and groaned, unable to control it, and having a tough time selling it. Does this mean they couldn't actually sing out loud. Instead of grunting and groaning, they should have. That's an old wave performance attitude. Nice!

    An old wave player would be able to weave the actual musical requests of the audience, easier to do, nice for the player, referencing what he has of it, feeling it in his output, but not having to start at the first note and play it like the original all the way through. I might be talking about a lesser musicianship than being a constant virtuoso, but that's what jamming it out is all about, leaving the things of man behind, and letting the music in you come out.

    And I'm not as professional as I thought. I went into Welland's senior centre to look around, after I turned sixty, thinking even sixty-five for retirement. No, it's 50. I missed out on ten years of free pool and pool tables, seeing even old pool hall friends from when I was an employee.

    They're calling the growing mountain of garbage behind the new Walmart, where people say you can dump for free, "Mount St. Welland". Yeah, not exactly like "Slum-dog Millionaire", or the residential dumps in other countries, but Welland's getting there. Garbage dumps should be an old wave theme, not a resource.
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    I am still on Volume one????

    Jeez what are we onto now Slavery,
    Rus Cossacks is that anything to do with the Don Cossack?? Fondling female breasts, rubbish dumps, Native or Indigenous people and what it boils down to as far as I see is improvisation which is what Jazz is all about and most Classical musicians can also improvise when called upon and a feeling for music and life and all that Jazz, over to you comrade CD

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    @ Colin and CD, I gotta admit I'm a little lost myself just about now; JW is waaaay above my head!
    Whatever floats your boat May your reach always exceed your grasp

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    Br. Steve,

    My jaw dropped to the floor upon reading John Watt's latest homily. He has gone beyond what I can muster and, frankly, I'm glad he does. He does this hick(me) too great of an honor with his very kind remark about my commentary. It is praise that is way beyond my paygrade.


    Br. Colin,


    My answer to the Cossack Song:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUgBZNZoiNc
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    No! No, Corno Dolce. That was not praise beyond your paygrade, a nice line in itself. Waking up, in all my fullness, not zonked a little, and thinking of you, may be my first morning thoughts about another musician or man. And what was I thinking? For all my enthusiasm about getting back to see any reponse, and continue this old wave wash, I forgot to comment on you repeating "grandiose", thinking your use could be construed as taking it as, not an insult, but a you and not us kind of thing.

    That's part of it, for sure. But I'm using grandiose to describe my general impression of the topics and instruments here, instead of saying "hippy" or "country". My using grandiose was a compliment in that respect, not being a roots musician, coming to old wave as a virtuoso used to playing historic instruments in historic architecture. My repetitious line about old wave being a lesser form of genre than jazz or classical represents that attitude too.

    And let me get to the heart of the organist in you. Consider an organist playing a cathedral organ as a gig. Say he goes to where a piano and organ is, and plays his cathedral style. Let's imagine everyone is applauding, saying he sounded like a Biggser Bach. But then some less than gradiose looking player sits down, and turns on the rhythm section, getting a samba beat happening, maybe upping the speed, and starts rocking out. The audience might start tapping to the beat, both hands are working the keys, and the "Funny Feet" option makes the bass notes beat with the percussion programming. That's enough extra musical impetus to prod the player to play longer, and something to leave on if you have to stop and lean back, and wonder how to start again. That's better than playing one song, wanting to play another you feel like, when an entertainer would have to try the request.

    And if it was Corno Dolce, with Irma la Douce leaning alongside, I'd be expecting him to be punishing the ivories on a piano where it doesn't matter if he breaks any strings or pedals, and the sight of Irma on her knees beside him, reaching up alonside his legs to help push the bass pedals, yeah, that would be my strongest memory of the night. I'd be asking "where's Irma" if I saw him later, saying there's some nice bran muffins, yeah, raisins, not chocolate. If you're into the old wave wationale, you'll like that better than alcohol making you shaking, and stirred-crazy, unless you sold your meds to someone else.

    If I was a professional organist, I'd be one of the first to want to be an old wave wevivalist. Imagine going from having to haul your own organ, to just turning some else's on, just having to sit on it to let it all go, feet tapping like Sammy Davis.

    And the nicest part of being an old wave washout, is knowing there's no pressure to emulate the mastery of "The Earl of Url Frederik Magle". See! This old wave rewigion is inspiring me to finally arrive at the proper title for Mr. Frederik Magle. He's not a dry and soft-focus player, his video represents not just a modern style, but getting more sublime, more nuanced and layered, with the music bringing it all together. "The Earl of Url, Frederik Magle". You can tell I live close to Fonthill.

    Jazz is still jazz, classical is still classical, old wave is all less than that. I know. More public than republic, some surf and smurf. I gotta be like that. Half of everything around me is covered in Disney graphics. I feel like I've been to the Princess Bride's wedding, and I haven't even seen the movie.

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    "Old Wave" classical music-th_sleepy2-gifWhat you been smoking man??

    Come on spit it out whats buggin ya?

    If I was a rich man yab a yaba yaba yaba yaba yaba yaba dooooo.............
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    Colin,

    Ya mean "snorting"?


    John Watt - As a former performing organist and now working as a singer in a Cathedral Choir I am totally involved in Choral music and the choir as it being very much like an organ.
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Of course there are considerable considerations for any organist who desires to perform as an old wave artist. Modern electronic technology has surpassed the acoustic. If the American military can blast "Metallica" c.d.'s through loud p.a.'s at the residence of the head of the Panamanian government, Daniel Nortega, it has to been seen as military grade. A cathedral organist might not have worries about that 40 Hertz frequency, possibly seeing his stops as contra-bass, but even in a small setting, modern technology can make that blast out. Please remember, an older audience, more attuned to live bands from the 30's to 50's, and more sophisticated music than just hard rock, is older, part of old wave. And forgetting the 40 Hertz, it might take simple musical excitement to create, not security or stage-crashing problems, just what happens if someone is afraid to fart.

    And if it's not the best old wave gig, if someone isn't just letting you play what you feel, as long as you feel it, and you have to play out the clock, having the oldest old wave audience is again a nice thing for an old wave player, dreaming along, not thinking song, letting you play along, letting you stretch it out long, maybe forgetting what they've already heard. I know my best old wave solos are something I look back on, wondering what I played.

    It's getting close to Christmas. The Bethleham star wasn't there to become a Christmas tree decoration. The Jewish people were the slaves, slaves without a country to return to. By the time of Jesus of Nazareth, Jewish priests spoke an ancient Hebrew that residents didn't understand. Men and women walked the streets, holding hands. They performed cornea surgeries, and dolphins swam in the waters with man. Romans didn't even have the concept of zero. It was Persian High Priests, astronomers and scientists, following their prophecies, who dared to travel through hostile Roman land to await their great prophet.
    May All Peace Be Upon All Humankind And All The Humanities.

    "Brighten the corner where you are, brighten the corner where you are,
    somewhere out in harbour someone's stuck up on the bar,
    brighten the corner where you are."
    An auld Scottish hymn.
    And the rock influence? Not, "Brighten this, baby", but "I have to return to my dressing room to wipe down and polish my instrument", as you bend over a little, holding your back. "Could you help carry this?".
    You carry me back, Corno Dolce, and it's better to be more than just a back-up.
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    The snow covers everything, and is gently falling, sticking and melting on me.
    It looked quiet, squirrels were still about, so I went in.
    The piano was there. I played it, and sometimes watched the squirrels.
    Staff came over and said they'd mark my time, not a schedule, but hours played.
    This was a nice twenty minutes. If I had a piano at home, it was already left behind.
    Maybe I can be like Burt Lancaster in "The Swimmer",
    where he used neighbourhood pools as a "river" to swim back home.
    Yes, even that falling snow felt like a baptism, quieting the rest of the world at the same time.
    The people sitting around at the "old wave" venue, were feeling like that,
    as I toned down and closed the piano lid.

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    "Old wave", there has to be a better name. Thoughts?

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    .................................................. ...............................................
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    ........................Sorry, so forgive me, Auld Lang Syne,
    ........................most everybody gets you all the time.
    ..............................using perfect, proper English
    ........................"A Sent A Mental" Sign age love wish,
    .............................from fretting fingers typed as
    ........................."The Fount of Font & The Earl of Url"
    ........................."New Words Of Above", my new love.
    .
    ....................................New Words Of Above

    .............................You astonished me my whirled,
    ............................bi-showing making love a'skirled.
    ...........................By chants all souls can open doors,
    .........................In prayer, re-astonishes and restores.

    ....................Shuh! Shuh! Shuh! Shuh! Shuh!, those spirits,
    ....................disappearing through aulden, night-time trees,
    ....................conducting us on up, up off bedraggled knees.
    ....................You astonished me my body, by coming down,
    ....................with these spirit hosts, mankind walks around.

    ................Astonish me, astonishing again, these eternal worlds
    ................continue to astonish me, widening as his own words.

    .........................Who looks to thank their own heart
    .........................for beating with all the humanities?
    .............................Share these feelings, with me,
    .............................a nature of being, our eternity.

    ....................................Share these feelings,
    .......................amaze our mind our body moves us now.
    ....................................Share these feelings,
    .......................our body lets us know and show us how.
    ....................................Share these feelings,
    ....................................astonish 2 admonish,
    ...........................................I love you,
    ..........................................as we heal.
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    ..........................................as we heal.
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    ..........................................as we heal.
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    ..........................................as we heal.
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    ..........................................as we heal.
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    ...........................................I love you,
    ..........................................as we heal.
    ......................(Repeating on the beat this "I love you")
    ......................(Encourage all congregant spontaneity.)
    .......B...... C..... D ...C ..B .....G..G ....E ...E ....D ..D ..C .C ......A ..E
    ......Share these fee-ee-lings, a-maze my mind my bo-dy moves us now.
    .......B minor......................... A minor ..................................E minor




    An "auld wave" presumption, an "Auld Lang Syne" update.
    Who can hold this cup of truth, to share a Christmas round with me?
    As typewritten without a thought of duplicity, observing our duality.
    Last edited by John Watt; Dec-09-2011 at 18:02.

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