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    What is (or was) the oldest pipe organ with a 16 foot stop?

    Hello members. Newbee today.

    Anyone know about pipe organs installed before the year 1600?
    was the 16 foot pipe invented, or was it still to come?

    Anywhere in the world as long as it was before 1600.

    Thank you anyone in advance.

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    Well, the oldest one still in working condition as far as I know is the Compenius Organ at Fredericksborg Slot in Denmark. It was built in 1610 I believe and has two 16' in the pedal. I'm not sure if that helps since it's not before 1600.

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    The oldest playable organ in the world with a 16' stop is in Sion, Switzerland. It dates from 1430.
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    oldest organ with 16 ft stop reply

    Thank you very much to all members for your replies. I do appreciate you help in the matter.

    I have another question which someone might have knowledge of:

    Concerning the organ builder Henry Willis: Juist how far back did that firm make organs? I seem to recall a Henry Willis in the late Elizabethan period who was a master builder. Anyone help?

    best wishes to all

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    I do believe I read somewhere that the 16' at Sion was added later...

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    I believe that aross30 is right - and that there are three ranks from the original organ...Hmmm, maybe some exhaustive research on "Die-Orgelsite" and maybe a visit to "Piporg-L" will help to settle the matter........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    The oldest playable organ in the world with a 16' stop is in Sion, Switzerland. It dates from 1430.
    It is the oldest and the strange thing is that this is not a lone 16' but when draw the stop there's a 16'+8' combination .
    The full name is Subbass II (16'+8') and is permanently coupled to the manual.

    there's a thread here about this organ , started by my friend Bill :-)

    Also Holy Trinity Smecno organ of 1587 has a subbass 16' stop.
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    Welcome to the fold Peethagoras! The afore-mentioned thread was started on 10th April 2012.

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    Jakobikirche in Lubeck has two organs of very early origins. The Kleine Orgel, and most likely the Grosse Orgel, have 16' Prinzipals dating back to around 1500. Both are in the Hauptwerk in each organ and are painted.
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    And I looked up Koorkerk in Middelburg, NL, just now and was tempted to say that the central tower of this organ (1479) has a 16' Principaal, but closer examination revealed that the longest pipe appears to be around 12' (speaking length). Voorzichtig!
    Last edited by smilingvox; Jul-20-2012 at 00:19.

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