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GO 0306 1086 to 1087 what's new ?

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

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Hi,

I uninstalled 1086 and got myself the 1087.
All clear. Everything plays well and stable. Joy.

I got some very small issues though when going from JLD to "e" versions and vice versa. Win7 x64.

Mainly I have to delete all previous shortcuts ect as GO exe on JLD is on main folder, in "e" 's versions is more "deep" into a subfolder.
Also had to re-assign on windows which program to open .organ files...
and the .organ file icon also changes : in "e" 's version (and astazou's in fact) is like the old MyOrgan , bigger and shown up (I like !). On JLD's it's like a document with a smaller keyboard in it.

Now you will tell me no such a problem... yep but re-assign the organ sets takes my time on each update :)

My main question is what changes are made on 1087 ?
Can we reach a stable commit to get a longer time standard 0306 ? (like it was with 02...)

Nevertheless I want one more time to thank all devs for all this great work done on 0306..... It really became "our" organ :)

Best
Panos
 

e9925248

New member
It is not dependant on the revision.

The reason is, that I used the cpack installer built into the GO build system (NSIS) while JLD creates his own (external) installer.

The icon of the cpack installer is an icon already existing the GO sources - it is used cross-plattform. I added some code to it, which should (hopfully) associate GO with .organ files:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROTT\.organ = GrandOrgue.odf
HKEY_CLASSES_ROTT\GrandOrgue.odf=GrandOrgue organ definition file
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\GrandOrgue.odf\DefaultIcon=$INSTDIR\bin\GrandOrgue.exe,0
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\GrandOrgue.odf\shell\open
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\GrandOrgue.odf\shell\open\command=$INSTDIR\bin\GrandOrgue.exe "%1"'
 

scoroncolo

New member
It's not a big problem, but with Win7 X32 the file association doesn't work. It cannot be set even manually.

Have you seen the big and well organized set of temperaments! :cool:
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

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Thank you "e".
anyway I like better the old icon showing on organ files too. I missed that (from MyOrgan...) in 01 & 02.

Any of your versions has no problem to associate .organ files with GO. A few clicks and set.

Its was a long period of the last 3 summer months that I couldn't associate (had JLD's version on - I need Asio4all). I was trying in vain, showing windows the C:\Program Files\Grand Orgue ect \Grand Orgue.exe and nothing. Seemed like GO didn't existed in my system as a program, even if it showed up on installed programs page ...
Even un-installing re-installing GO didn't work associating .organ files.

This caused me to open GO main, instead of the set I want from desktop, and scroll down the recent ones to find....
Also on developing sets, when I did a mistake and GO removes the set in question from recent ones (really, why GO doing this?), I had to re-open folder and select organ file ect.

All these until your September version (Wasapi only) uploaded. Then like a magic hand everything worked as it should.
The same smooth operation I received with astazou's 1086 version (same installer as yours, based on yours - my favourite version so far).

Two days ago un-installed 1086 for 1087.... and was prepared for the same old thing.... but, Luck !, associate went OK !

So, I'm now with 1087, which works stable and fine. But which improvements are there from 1086 ?
 

L.Palo

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Hi!

If you're really interested in knowing the differences you should look into the svn browse feature on GrandOrgues page on Sourceforge. http://ourorgan.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/ourorgan/ and then selecting the revision you're interested in and compare it with the older (use the arrows to step in between or type in the number).

The difference between 1086 and 1087 is perhaps not so interesting for most users - "Convert fader to a class" - but it's one step on the road to improve GO.

The 1088 rev fixes the Unison off bug and that difference is perhaps more visible for a user.

The reason for quickly getting out the new revisions is to help finding bugs and test the newer features. For everyday playing you don't need to re-install/update with every new revision - but it sure helps GO development if you do (and also report anything unusual you find)!

Kind regards

Lars P
 

e9925248

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Any of your versions has no problem to associate .organ files with GO. A few clicks and set.

So, I'm now with 1087, which works stable and fine. But which improvements are there from 1086 ?

My GO installer should associate GO with .organ files automatically, but I have not found any time to verify the result.
It should create a "GrandOrgue organ definition file" file type with an open action and associate it with .organ. I don't know, if a manually configured file association for .organ will take precedence.

To r1087: If somebody create a GO build, he usually takes the latest sources.
 

JLD

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File association seems to work fine with XP so it might be an issue with Inno setup (installer program) and Win7.
Concerning icons, this is Windows standard way to show a small document page with the icon of the associated program inside.
Did not want my builds to become an issue so please whoever has better builds, remove all installations files from http://sourceforge.net/projects/ourorgan/files/Development releases/ and upload the latest builds.

JLD
 

scush

New member
File association ok win7 64
Asio essential for my hardware
Reverb time spinner made big organs possible
Your builds much appreciated
Please update more frequently.

Thankyou

john
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
File association ok win7 64
Asio essential for my hardware
Reverb time spinner made big organs possible
Your builds much appreciated
Please update more frequently.

Thankyou

john

Hi JLD :)
Agree with Scush. After all, your builds have the Asio extension, so... Please DO NOT STOP DEVELOPING !!!
I'm working with 1087 on my pc and "e"'s on my wife's (i5 WASAPI).
My son still uses your 1026 I think :) Intel Celeron 1.3 GHz 2GB ram w7 x64 and kills on the spot !

It sure is the installer and win7 here.... because I tested on a friend's XP and works OK. Though he never had any GO version before....

Maybe something I did.

So I tested again :

I changed association from GO to windows word pad (like needing this program to open .organ file to edit as main app).
Trying to change to GO (JLD build) NO WAY !
Windows keep showing word pad and many text related programs and other but selecting GO .exe no move ! like not seeing it .

This is not happening with "e" 's version. Can change with a click.

So, I believe is something with the installer, not you !

Also, I never aimed at comparison of builds, never. It's a feedback of an issue to report.
And it doesn't affect any playing/performing functions anyway.
Remember the first builds by "e" ? They crashed my lap on the spot. Now nothing similar happens with latest builds from him.

We got a winner in our hands : v0306, it's not a build competition... and as my friend Lars saying... yep I'll do these installations to check and post back.
If I ever get tired (I doubt...) I'll pick up one build that suits my needs and stick to it for playing music and stop testing anything LOL

Please keep up high the good work

All my best
Panos

PS. Though I have an account on Sourceforge, from jOrgan disposition developing and list, I get tired many times from the whole layout, so that's why I'm addressing my questions on this big forum, with thousants of readers.... :)
 

JLD

New member
My post was short, not because I was mad but because I am running out of time on too many activities.
There is no competition on the build since we all use the same sources anyway. In my case, the only difference is that I build in a native Windows environment but at the end of the day they all should work the same way.

My reaction to ask for somebody else to release Windows builds in the sourceforge file is because I don't have time to look at what is the issue Panos is reporting and I don't want GrandOrgue reputation to suffer from an installer problem (it is being downloaded quite a bit)
I can continue to make these builds but will not be offended at all if somebody takes over with an installer that has no issue.
I will try to have a look at NSIS instead of INNO but that might not be before a few weeks.

JL
 

e9925248

New member
The biggest advantage of NSIS is (after all work done on the build system), that it will simple to use:
Just put make sure, that cmake will find it (propably put it in the path) and run "make package".
cmake takes care of the rest including adding DLLs, if GO is dynamically linked.
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Thank you JLD :)
Thank you 'e" :)

Just to add another small info. NSIS installed programs un-install themselves quite fast (from Control Panel/Installed programs), if fact... super fast :)

I can wait more than few weeks.... I remember getting my hands on a very early 03 build back in summer 2010.... exchanging feedback with Graham and DorsetMike...... :) and I was dreaming of those features 0306 now has got. Also back in 2011 when we started Pitea set development with Lars, we discussed about those features and remember Lars saying to us : " ...anyway you'll never know... miracles might happen !" LOL Right he was :-D

1087 woks fine as 1086(astazou) and "e" 's latest (for those with multi audio, using wasapi, as our friend Erik).

Another report : 1087 crashed just once when did the following and never repeated... (?)

I loaded my small custom v2 (see a pic of it here : http://www.panosvirtual.org/setups.html )

This set loads around 3GB ram, not a problem for my 4096MB on board. Needs 4 1/2 minutes to load at 24/48000 lossless compression on, depending on my Intel Pentium T4400 dual core 2.2GHz.
Playing a lot I decided to close. I usually close the set first, then GO. never on X
This I did and after set disappearing from GUI GO freezed.... > task manager closed it.

It never happened before and so far never again.
I'm suspecting Internet momentary interference on CPU or something, as this time I forgot my usual procedure to close internet connection before going on an organ session.... My anti-malware was downloading updates just on closing... hmmm

All my best
Panos
 

JLD

New member
Panos, can you try GrandOrgue-0.3.0.61086-win32.exe in GrandOrgue sourceforge files?
 

e9925248

New member
Playing a lot I decided to close. I usually close the set first, then GO. never on X
This I did and after set disappearing from GUI GO freezed.... > task manager closed it.
This is more likely a deadlock in GO while closing the audio - as this is not reproducible, finding the root cause is very unlikely.

As you talked about 4 Minutes load time:
Are you using the cache?
There is a compressed and a uncompressed cache [You have to select the type in the GO options and then run "update cache"] I can't predict which is faster for you.
On 64 bit (and 32 bit up to 1.X GB) GO uses memory mapping for the uncompressed cache too.

One more thing:
The GO installer simply drops the GO files into a directory and registers a deinstaller. If you want to keep multiple versions without installing every time, you can run the additional version from a copy of the GO program directory.

PS: Using older GO version after new GO versions is not recommended, as the older GO may drop unkown settings from the newer GO.
 

scoroncolo

New member
Version 0.3.0.61088: the file association works fine.

The last version (0.3.0.61088) fixed the file association problem on my Win7 32.
Many thanks.
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

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Hi JLD , Hi Martin :)

Just a quick one

At the moment there isn't a 32bit windows OS here.... In April HP (win7 32bit pure) burned motherboard.... so I'll have to use it on 64bit (3 different computers) is it OK ? I'm asking because I don't like to mix up things and the bridging that happens. Also I remember MyOrgan performing better on that HP 32bit than my more expensive 64bit Acer.... Hmmmm

I'll go for the links this afternoon

Freeze. - No reproduction, yes.
Cache. - I have to look at it again, as I set months ago (GO remembers my settings ) and don't remember which :)

Multi versions. - I stopped doing this long ago, exactly for the reasons you say. So, it's un-install > Install here, but it doesn't bother me.... It's like a game LOL
Also following your valuable information about GO in registry, I believe if one has to choose to go for an older version, must clean all settings and start over from zero. This is not a bad thing to do in this case. Sometimes, starting all over from zero clears also the mind from so much data and possibly help see things not noticed before and get a more "correct" setup :)

see you soon
Panos
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
OK. 1088 x64

Cache compression on. - 4min 38 sec to load the v2 custom (has many files.....) --- 2min 10sec to load the DomBedos experimental (no releases and FX).
Release scaling off
Active polyphony management off
The other two On.
Lossless compression on.
Interpolation Linear
Concurrency, both at 2
128/48000
All loops, all releases all attack
Polyphony 2048
"Reverb" Max
Asio4all - estimated 6ms latency. Audio clean no cracks or distortion.
All GO controls function OK

1088. Yes. This is it. Fast installation accurate, just Grand Orgue folder without info numbers (easy updates....). Assosiation cool :)
Icon , yes, the good old one :) (Thanks).
NSIS works good.

One thing only : since I installed the 1088 x64 version I would like the installer to had preset the
C:\Program Files\Grand Orgue instead the C:\Program Files (x86)\Grand Orgue ,
for destination :) :).
Has the option to change though.

@JLD : I got the 32bit too. Should I proceed testing it on win7 home premium x64 environment? or to try find a pc with 32bit ?

Best
Panos
 

e9925248

New member
1) GO has no global settings.
The installer just copy GO to a directory and the deinstaller removes it from there. Therefore keeping old GO program directories has the same effect as the more time consuming reinstalling of GO.

2) GO has only user settings in the registry and the GO data/cache directories.
These are never touched by the GO installer, so de/reinstalling GO has no effect on them.
GO can changes these settings while running, so a older GO versions can remove/change settings of newer GO versions, but usually there is no need to clean the settings when switching to older versions.

3) Has the cache been updated/created?
In that case, GO will only read the ODF + the cache file.
The cache files will be put in the GO cache directory (see GO settings).
 

scush

New member
Hi
I have just instaled latest 64 bit.
I used the uninstaler on the previous version to remove the associations.
The instaler did not associate [.organ] with organ defination file,but this was easy to fix manualy.
It also does not create desktop shortcut.
On closing the program the organ closed but GO hung and would not close,however after deleting the registry
entries and let GO then make new ones,working ok.
john
 
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