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    You mean you found the score to that Handel piece you posted earlier? So that would mean they used A~465 Hz? I would have neve guessed that...

    I say - have a go with the fute. I mean, who cares about the neighbours? Just as long as your wife's okay with it. Oh, and post a recording for us while you're at it.
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    No Mat I found the score that I used for Recorder:
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    So if Mat was in Europe listening to their orchestra, then it would drive him crazy because their A is 442/443, while he is used to A=440

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    First I've heard of Europe using anything other than 440, except for some performances on period instruments and I've been around for 78 years. Mat is in Europe so he should be able to confirm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHC View Post
    Heck I just don't believe it Willy Tell would turn in his box. I think anyone can tell if an instrument is out of tune with the rest of the orch but to hear a single note by itself and say that is F# but a bit too sharp is amazing to me.

    Mat can I test you please what key is this piece in??https://www.box.com/s/bxj34ep0hp5bkjjgv8yx
    I picked G Minor at the get-go on first listen. I am blessed [cursed] with perfect pitch. But it sounds so close to F# Minor too ... altering the tuning away from A-440 will do that.


    Quote Originally Posted by edepot View Post
    Woah, this is not good. I heard in Europe they tune it to 442 or 443, and given you said baroque pitch is 415 Hz, baroque for some special church music (Chorton pitch) at 466 Hz and classical pitch at 430 Hz. I am assuming the next note higher than A is so far away that they don't overlap with A if the tuning was set to a different period/place as given in the samples above?
    Zubin Mehta was once known for tuning his orchestra at A-444 claiming that is made the group sound 'brighter' ... that was when he was directing in the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion though ... I don't know if he did that for performances in the Disney Hall.

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    I often don't tell musicans that i have pp, as they assume that i'm arrogant and start to treat me differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithwood View Post
    I often don't tell musicans that i have pp, as they assume that i'm arrogant and start to treat me differently.
    You're absolutely right you know ... when I casually mention it, I then get "tested" by people playing various notes for me to guess what they are.

    Years ago I was the accompanist for a soprano who was also blessed with PP ... several pieces she performed started out with voice only - she was able to "pick" out those starting notes from memory every time.

    Other times though, it does come in handy ... recently for our Christmas Eve service, the pastor requested a handbell fanfare to start the service similar to one he had heard on YT. The choir director and I listened to the music and I was able to pick out all the sequential notes that were being played ... and came up with a plan to present to the handbell ringers. The end result at that service was astounding.

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    Hello smithwood and welcome to the forum. Sounds like we might have another jazz fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorsetmike View Post
    These days instrument tuning is set with A above middle C at a frequency of 440Hz, in the baroque period it was "somewhere near" 415 Hz (they didn't have so much in the way of sophisticated equipment to get the exact frequency every time) 415.3 Hz is G#/Ab in modern tuning so Mat is correct if going by present day tuning standards. He was given no clue that the piece was played in Baroque period tuning, as I said in my post above Colin was sneaky!
    I'm afraid you are totally wrong on this one ... each town in Europe had its own pitch and none of them were ever the same. There was no way of defining (accurately) how many cycles per second a note is. A 440 is simply convenient, by the way, not all modern orchestras tune to 440, some like it slightly sharp or flat.

    Mozart had perfect pitch, as an example, and his life must have been a mysery as each city he visited from German to Italy would have had a diffent local pitch. I too have perfect pitch and it's a curse, trust me.
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    Hi David long time on see, I do remember reading about the different towns having different pitches but being old and feeble of mind had not remembered, thanks for jogging the old gray meter.
    I was wondering how you were faring with all the heat and fires those poor people..... at least we only get earth quakes and volcanoes, nice to hear from you again.
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