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    Who Is / Was the Craziest Most Insane Composer of All Time (WIWTCMICOAT)

    Most Genius composers were/ are either somewhat crazy, totally crazy or even evil crazy. Who is your pick as the craziest- either musically/ or personally?

    I'll start of by Nominating some:

    Richard Wagner - In 1839 he was forced to flee Riga, Russia(money issues) then flee Germany because there was a warrant out for his arrest (revolt) etc affairs with married women and on and on...

    Robert Schumann - attempted suicide, angelic visions / demonic visionsSchumann finally confined to a mental institution after he attempted suicide by throwing himself from a bridge into the Rhine River. Rescued by boatmen he asked to be taken to an asylum for the insane.

    Alessandro Stradella - hired assassin took care of him

    Smetana - Spent his last months in the Prague Insane Asylum

    Hugo Wolf - Attempted to drown himself ended up in a insane asylum - seems a very familar theme

    Mozart and Salieri ????

    Peter Warlock - died of asphyxiation pic below:


    Your turn.......

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    Well, a real looney was Carlo Gesualdo...
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    No contest. Simply no contest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by matsoljare View Post
    No contest. Simply no contest.



    Yep, the lad does look a bit "derangedly touched"...
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Theems like a nithe boy!
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    ^ All good choices. I think Percy was eccentric rather than crazy (plus I've got to stick up for fellow Aussies) but definately Carlo Gesualdo- what do you say about him mmmm...... displayed his dead wife and lover in front of his castle, dressing the mutilated Duke of Andria's body in his dead wife Maria's night dress- very tacky very crazy almost good enough for a Holywood movie don't you think.................

    My suggested top ten (WIWTCMICOAT) is.......

    1 Gesualdo da Venosa
    2 Scriabin
    3 Stockhausen
    4 Hugo Wolf
    5 Sorabji
    6 Richard Wagner

    7 Smetana
    8 Peter Warlock
    9 Arenshy
    10 Alessandro Stradella

    I would also add 11. Celine Dion to the end of my list= hate her music lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by EddieRUKiddingVare View Post
    ^ All good choices. I think Percy was eccentric rather than crazy (plus I've got to stick up for fellow Aussies) but definately Carlo Gesualdo- what do you say about him mmmm...... displayed his dead wife and lover in front of his castle, dressing the mutilated Duke of Andria's body in his dead wife Maria's night dress- very tacky very crazy almost good enough for a Holywood movie don't you think.................

    My suggested top ten (WIWTCMICOAT) is.......

    1 Gesualdo da Venosa
    2 Scriabin
    3 Stockhausen
    4 Hugo Wolf
    5 Sorabji
    6 Richard Wagner

    7 Smetana
    8 Peter Warlock
    9 Arenshy
    10 Alessandro Stradella

    I would also add 11. Celine Dion to the end of my list= hate her music lol

    Hi Eddie,

    When I lived in Hawaii I sang with an a capella group that performed lots of early music i.e. nothing after J.S. Bach - So yes, we did plenty of Gesualdo - In fact, the group leader was a closeted fanatic of Gesualdo - you can bet we had laughs aplenty within the group. Oh yeah, his life and escapades would be simply smashing for a Hollywood script. Lecherous is the one word that crosses my mind when I ponder about Gesualdo. But he certainly used novel harmonic language in his compositions...

    Say, whats your beef about Sorabji? He is just so misunderstood - He's eccentric to the extreme rather than crazy. His Symphonic Variations for piano solo (KSS59) is ten hours of just mind-boggling music, leaving no stone unturned. I have played his first two organ symphonies and they leave one just utterly exhausted and wrung out as a performer. Yep, Stockhausen and I must add Xenakis - Their music just makes me want to jump out of my skin!!! EGADS!!! What Wretchedness!!!???!!! Scriabin? well, its a pity that he lost himself in anthroposophical solipsism a la Madame Blavatsky.
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    Hi Eddie,

    When I lived in Hawaii I sang with an a capella group that performed lots of early music i.e. nothing after J.S. Bach - So yes, we did plenty of Gesualdo - In fact, the group leader was a closeted fanatic of Gesualdo - you can bet we had laughs aplenty within the group. Oh yeah, his life and escapades would be simply smashing for a Hollywood script. Lecherous is the one word that crosses my mind when I ponder about Gesualdo. But he certainly used novel harmonic language in his compositions...

    Say, whats your beef about Sorabji? He is just so misunderstood - He's eccentric to the extreme rather than crazy. His Symphonic Variations for piano solo (KSS59) is ten hours of just mind-boggling music, leaving no stone unturned. I have played his first two organ symphonies and they leave one just utterly exhausted and wrung out as a performer. Yep, Stockhausen and I must add Xenakis - Their music just makes me want to jump out of my skin!!! EGADS!!! What Wretchedness!!!???!!! Scriabin? well, its a pity that he lost himself in anthroposophical solipsism a la Madame Blavatsky.
    Corno, your comments are great and agree with you some on my list are more eccentric than crazy. So would agree Sorabji is prob getting a bad wrap there.

    Would have to say that I'm one of those that like the modern composer such as Stockhausen and Xenakis and tend to favour their music as well as Varese of course lol. They appeal to the atonal side of my musical tastes.....................

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    I believe that eccentric, close insanity is almost a requirement to be a great composer as many were out of touch with real reality and so called normal sane activities.. IMHO
    ....To play only what is written is the domain of science. To realize what is not written is the domain of art."
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    Quote Originally Posted by wljmrbill View Post
    I believe that eccentric, close insanity is almost a requirement to be a great composer as many were out of touch with real reality and so called normal sane activities.. IMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by wljmrbill View Post
    I believe that eccentric, close insanity is almost a requirement to be a great composer as many were out of touch with real reality and so called normal sane activities.. IMHO
    Dearest Wljmrbill,

    Are you saying that JSBach is Mad?? Nay, heaven forfend.............
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    Dearest Wljmrbill,

    Are you saying that JSBach is Mad?? Nay, heaven forfend.............
    Was mad , can't be "is" unless he is still living in Argentina as an Elvis impersonator
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    MY friends Bach was an exception to so many rules. He was and is one of a kind and Heavenly inspired in my opinon.
    ....To play only what is written is the domain of science. To realize what is not written is the domain of art."
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    One of a kind and Heavenly inspired- he maybe be, but the big question is - was he crazy?

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