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    According to Gert's web page, his forthcoming teacher is Jos van der Kooy, who can be seen here playing the Fugue from BWV 564.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKj2LRMoSKk
    Last edited by branchporter; Jul-28-2013 at 05:17. Reason: Mis- spelled Kooy

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    Quote Originally Posted by branchporter View Post
    According to Gert's web page, his forthcoming teacher is Jos van der Kooy, who can be seen here playing the Fugue from BWV 564.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKj2LRMoSKk
    In which case, Gert is in excellent hands. I am familiar with the playing of Jos van der Kooy.

    Thank you for the link to the clip, though.

    Beautiful playing - and, I note, barely a superfluous gesture to be seen....
    Pierre Cochereau rocked, man.

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    Hi all,

    When I am tired, I go to Yout... to find some musical piece of organ. At first, I always only listen to it (with my headphones), and then I decide if I love it or not
    After that I watch the video to see why

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    mutzik57 - I think that's the fairest way to judge a performance - by listening without watching.

    Here's a caveat of sorts:
    I indicated that "some have said" this is the best performance of BWV 565. Realistically, I'm sure it has been performed better by someone, somewhere, sometime. But I will say this: it is quite possibly the best performance done by an 18 year old who learned to read music at 14, and is wearing tennis shoes.

    BTW - I have also seen Gert play in hiking boots.

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    The subject of this thread (Bach's Toccata and fugue in D Minor, as played by Gert van Hoef) was one of Gert's audition pieces at the Royal Conservatory of Music, The Hague, Netherlands. After two audition pieces, Gert was unanimously accepted into the conservatory. His other piece was Viërne's Symphony 2 No.1 'Allegro' which he plays here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgcjRP_Qv0I

    Earlier in this thread, someone called the Bach "the wretched, greatly over-exposed 565", then said "I should be happy to let it rot in obscurity - along with another tired and well-worn piece: Widor's famous Toccata. Well, Gert recently posted the Widor:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa7lMy8wE38

    "Over-exposed" pieces aside, Gert has posted many seldom heard organ works:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/gertrw/videos

    What brought Gert to this level of achievement in just a few years? The answer can be found in his autobiography:
    http://www.pennyanfbc.com/gert.html

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    THanks for the link to his autobio. It really added to my enjoyment of his playing and him as a person as I have followed him since his first posting.It is no wonder he got so far so fast with 5-12 hours aday practice.
    ....To play only what is written is the domain of science. To realize what is not written is the domain of art."
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    I wish you the Best for each day, now and always.

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    Would that we could all be so dedicated! His success is well-deserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by branchporter View Post
    The subject of this thread (Bach's Toccata and fugue in D Minor, as played by Gert van Hoef) was one of Gert's audition pieces at the Royal Conservatory of Music, The Hague, Netherlands. After two audition pieces, Gert was unanimously accepted into the conservatory. His other piece was Viërne's Symphony 2 No.1 'Allegro' which he plays here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgcjRP_Qv0I

    Earlier in this thread, someone called the Bach "the wretched, greatly over-exposed 565", then said "I should be happy to let it rot in obscurity - along with another tired and well-worn piece: Widor's famous Toccata. Well, Gert recently posted the Widor:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa7lMy8wE38 ...
    I listened to the Vierne, but not the Widor - since it was I who wrote the phrase which you quoted above. In fact, I remain puzzled as to why anyone should wish to listen to yet another recording of these two works - there is so much other wonderful music to discover; live a little - be adventurous.

    Gert's technique is indeed good. However, there is still something missing - which I suspect will only come with experience and maturity. The Vierne is a little too fast - and needs space to breathe. Contrast this performance with that by Pierre Cochereau, on the 'old' organ of Nôtre-Dame de Paris, recorded shortly after his appointment as titulaire in 1955. This may be available on YouTube. If not, it is well worth trying to buy the box-set of two CDs - under the titile Les "Incunables":

    http://www.amazon.com/Pierre-Cochere.../dp/B000050HK6

    The playing has all the breadth and maturity which is lacking in the version which you linked above.

    And, before anyone gets upset and posts a heated reply, I should like to point out that I am aware of the following points:

    1) Gert is a lot younger than Cochereau was at the time of the 1956
    Nôtre-Dame recording.

    2) He (Gert) is not the titulaire of a national cathedral.

    3) He did not commence learning the organ until his early 'teens.

    4) He has barely started his formal conservatoire training.

    However, in a few years, it may be that we can expect great things from this clearly talented young man.


    Interestingly, the Cochereau recording of the first movement of Vierne's Deuxième Symphonie to which I provided the link above, is rather superior to his second recording, which was made several years later, after the organ at Nôtre-Dame had been rebuilt and enlarged (with a new Anglo-American-style console and electropneumatic action). This later recording was somewhat rushed and lacks the power and sheer musicality of the former version.
    Last edited by pcnd5584; Sep-28-2013 at 23:49.
    Pierre Cochereau rocked, man.

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