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Samples for Hammond B3 with Leslie?
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John Watt
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Sorry JayR, or Jay, I'm not here to answer your question, far from it.
I grew up in a world of Hammond B3's and Hammond Porta B's,
helping to lug them around, and listening to players wherever one could be ensconced.
Eddie Layton, "No Blues on This Cruise", is still one of my favorite B3 albums.
As an electric guitarist with a Jimi Hendrix set-up,
I had the biggest, wood cabinet Leslie made, wiring my guitar into it,
not for stage, but for my residential amplifier, liking the soft, atmospheric to swirling sound.
You need a fifteen or eighteen inch bass speaker to put out Leslie specs all the way down,
no matter what any digital digger tells you, if you want authentic sound.
I grew up in a world of Hammond B3's and Hammond Porta B's,
helping to lug them around, and listening to players wherever one could be ensconced.
Eddie Layton, "No Blues on This Cruise", is still one of my favorite B3 albums.
As an electric guitarist with a Jimi Hendrix set-up,
I had the biggest, wood cabinet Leslie made, wiring my guitar into it,
not for stage, but for my residential amplifier, liking the soft, atmospheric to swirling sound.
You need a fifteen or eighteen inch bass speaker to put out Leslie specs all the way down,
no matter what any digital digger tells you, if you want authentic sound.
Ghekorg7 (Ret)
Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Hi JayR, long time no talk ! )))
Hammond organ representation on computer based samplers like Hauptwerk, GrandOrgue and jOrgan is difficult. In jOrgan community we have some examples which are pretty cool but IMVHO are far from perfect. In VSTi world we have some very very good and close to original representations :
1. The now classic and out of production B4, B4II from Native instruments (no samples)
2. The superb VB3 created with physical modeling (no samples too) where there is a Leslie VST named McDonald too.
3. The standard Vintage Organs Library for Kontakt 5 from Native Instruments containing samples from B-3, C-3 and M-100, which is IMVHO the best of them all.
To represent accurately a Hammond one needs samples from the tone wheels with all imperfections and/or leaks and then on sampler to use volume sliders to represent the drawbar action. Also samples from percussion and key click.
The leslie thing is the hardest, so one has to sample again the same as above with Leslie on , in both slow and fast speed. Then use the alt attack function in GrandOrgue for example, to get it, as we do with the pipe organ temulant samples.
Even like this though we cannot get the real leslie close to original because we will not have the speed rate changes and many more stuff, like the moving speakers noise.
That's why even modern times Hammond company has built in a simulated leslie function more or less like a computer VST effect.
Another easy way to get a Hammond into GO is to use straight samples of the tonewheels, engage them with a swell pedal each (using a different image on GUI) , ie 9 in number (16', 5'1/2, 8', 4', 2'2/3, 2', 1'3/5, 1'1/2, 1'), create 9 stops default to engaged and 9 windchests each with its own enclosure referenced from each stop, then use Jack to mix the output of GrandOrgue with the McDonald Leslie sim VST (free), or have slow leslie samples as the straight ones and use the alt attack function for the fast leslie samples by engaging the tremulant switch on GUI. This will give a modest and high quality Hammond organ representation.
Concluding, IMVHO, NI vintage organs library is the best nowadays representation of Hammond organs for computer based organ setup.
Hammond organ representation on computer based samplers like Hauptwerk, GrandOrgue and jOrgan is difficult. In jOrgan community we have some examples which are pretty cool but IMVHO are far from perfect. In VSTi world we have some very very good and close to original representations :
1. The now classic and out of production B4, B4II from Native instruments (no samples)
2. The superb VB3 created with physical modeling (no samples too) where there is a Leslie VST named McDonald too.
3. The standard Vintage Organs Library for Kontakt 5 from Native Instruments containing samples from B-3, C-3 and M-100, which is IMVHO the best of them all.
To represent accurately a Hammond one needs samples from the tone wheels with all imperfections and/or leaks and then on sampler to use volume sliders to represent the drawbar action. Also samples from percussion and key click.
The leslie thing is the hardest, so one has to sample again the same as above with Leslie on , in both slow and fast speed. Then use the alt attack function in GrandOrgue for example, to get it, as we do with the pipe organ temulant samples.
Even like this though we cannot get the real leslie close to original because we will not have the speed rate changes and many more stuff, like the moving speakers noise.
That's why even modern times Hammond company has built in a simulated leslie function more or less like a computer VST effect.
Another easy way to get a Hammond into GO is to use straight samples of the tonewheels, engage them with a swell pedal each (using a different image on GUI) , ie 9 in number (16', 5'1/2, 8', 4', 2'2/3, 2', 1'3/5, 1'1/2, 1'), create 9 stops default to engaged and 9 windchests each with its own enclosure referenced from each stop, then use Jack to mix the output of GrandOrgue with the McDonald Leslie sim VST (free), or have slow leslie samples as the straight ones and use the alt attack function for the fast leslie samples by engaging the tremulant switch on GUI. This will give a modest and high quality Hammond organ representation.
Concluding, IMVHO, NI vintage organs library is the best nowadays representation of Hammond organs for computer based organ setup.
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JayR
New member
Panos,
Thanks for the detailed response! I have been cycling through different project and responsibilities. So I took a hiatus from working on VPOs. Now that I have taken a new job and completed some of the ongoing commitments, I have cycled back to working on VPOs again. I just finished the Kilgen that I started back in 2010; and it is being used at a school for their Masses.
How have you been?
Thanks for the detailed response! I have been cycling through different project and responsibilities. So I took a hiatus from working on VPOs. Now that I have taken a new job and completed some of the ongoing commitments, I have cycled back to working on VPOs again. I just finished the Kilgen that I started back in 2010; and it is being used at a school for their Masses.
How have you been?
Mick Berg
New member
I think it would be impossible to do a Hammond in GO because of the unique sound when you change the speed of the Leslie. You would need billions of samples!
My first job out of college was at the Boosey and Hawks factory in North London. I did final testing on Hammond "A" and sometimes B-3 and C-3 organs that were assembled from parts on an assembly line.
An interesting note, almost every time I switched on a new organ, the rectifier tube would blow.This was because the reservoir capacitors had no charge. There seemed to be no solution to this and I had a large plastic bin full of dead rectifier tubes as part of my working environment!
Mick.