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    I would have thought that with your heavy load of concert dates what was it 'hundreds each year all over the world' that you would not have had time for an evening with Bach but there ya go what do us poor stop at homes know about anything, unless your idea of a concert is different from ours, perhaps 3 guys playing their ipads.
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    You're imagining that none of those concerts includes any music by Bach, maybe?

    Or failing to imagine perhaps that since some days include three or four concerts--for upwards of nine days in a row--that leaves some days of the year free of any concerts.

    I hate to ask, but how does 3 guys playing ipads differ from 3 other guys playing violins? In terms of what constitutes "concert." Your idea of a concert being performers performing is no different from my idea of a concert.

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    You're imagining that none of those concerts includes any music by Bach, maybe?

    Or failing to imagine perhaps that since some days include three or four concerts--for upwards of nine days in a row--that leaves some days of the year free of any concerts.

    I hate to ask, but how does 3 guys playing ipads differ from 3 other guys playing violins? In terms of what constitutes "concert." Your idea of a concert being performers performing is no different from my idea of a concert.
    It's so sad that you don't know the difference; the guy 'playing' the ipad (or the stereo) can be any fool who can 'play' with some knobs (and this does not exclude people!). The violinist has been through music school and undergone as much training as a brain surgeon. Of course, if you haven't been to university you don't know what that might mean in terms of the effort/reward paradigm.

    If you were to suggest to the man on this podium that what he is doing is equivalent to playing with an ipad he'd laugh in your face: and I wouldn't be there to defend you. (By the way, see if you can spot Harry Potter!)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK9cKPCvXSw

    You were right to "hate" to ask!! It's all entirely risible.

    But, in keeping with your obvious/implied philosophy of what constitutes music, I'd say your post-modern 'take' and all its relativist connotations on what constitutes a concert is the thing which is causing you the most confusion. And stating things like "saying things are what they are not" and other such linguistically contorted twaddle will only do your own head in.

    And 'concert' has lots off different meanings in the English language; one of these, specific to (say) a classical music messageboard means 'a person or a group of people playing musical instruments to make music for (or against!!!) an audience". Concert also means agreement; concerted can mean 'legitimate' or 'earnestly applied' as in a 'concerted effort'. I hope this clears it all up for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirigent View Post
    It's so sad that you don't know the difference
    In terms of a concert being a performance by performers, there is no difference between a group of elementary school kids playing melody flutes and a group of professional musicians playing the overture to Rienzi.

    There are vast differences otherwise, but not in so far as JHC's and my ideas of what a concert is, which was my only point. Nothing to do with any questions of quality or otherwise.

    The guy playing the ipad is quite possibly a trained musician as well, in any case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirigent View Post
    [I]n keeping with your obvious/implied philosophy of what constitutes music, I'd say your post-modern 'take' and all its relativist connotations on what constitutes a concert is the thing which is causing you the most confusion.
    I'm not confused at all. A concert is an event in which performers perform music.

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    IAnd stating things like "saying things are what they are not" and other such linguistically contorted twaddle will only do your own head in.
    Maybe. But since the words you put into quotes is not, in fact, anything I ever said--or ever would have said--perhaps my head is, for the moment, relatively safe.

    Making up linguistically contorted twaddle and putting it into someone else's mouth is probably not the most intellectually honest activity one can engage in. If we're going to have a reasonable conversation, you are going to have to do two things, stick to the point and stick to what I actually say.

    And even if all you want to do is mock, your mockery will be more, um, pointed if you stick to what I actually say. Mocking something I didn't say, something that you made up, just doesn't have quite the zing of the real thing.
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    some guy .......... stop digging the hole is big enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHC View Post
    some guy .......... stop digging the hole is big enough.
    My interpretation:

    some guy ......... stop trying to engage us in conversation. We just want to make our unsupported (and unsupportable) assertions in peace. Leave us alone!!

    You know? That is a very tempting offer, put like that. Very tempting indeed.
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    some guy .......... stop digging the hole is big enough.
    You know? That is a very tempting offer, put like that. Very tempting indeed.
    So just get in it and we'll get someone to fill it in over you
    Cheers MIKE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by some guy View Post
    My interpretation:

    some guy ......... stop trying to engage us in conversation. We just want to make our unsupported (and unsupportable) assertions in peace. Leave us alone!!
    Wrong again but not to worry to use a saying my Aussie cousins use in this type of situation ....
    ya bloody galah!
    You can look it up on Wiki
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    To get back to Mikes purpose of this thread, I mentioned earlier BBC 3 as the station for classical music aficionados or eventhose that just want to explore classical, I rate it as one of the best on line stations on the www this is a link to the home page you can explore and find all sorts of fascinating things unfortunately they only make pod casts available to the UK which I think is a bit mean but you can stream all the other stuff.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006tnxf
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