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    Is it possible to create an .ODF with no ranks?

    I want to make an ODF that mirrors my console exactly. I don't want to deal with the actual ranks of pipes at this time, just concentrate on the layout of the manuals, stops and pistons. Can I make an .odf with no ranks of pipes?
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    If you don't add stops, you need no pipes.

    If you add stops/ranks, each stop/rank requires at least one pipe, but you can define it as Pipe001=DUMMY

    PS: Stops with only one pipe show a different behaviour (effect stop) - you get a normal stop behaviour, if you add a second dummy pipe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e9925248 View Post
    If you don't add stops, you need no pipes.

    If you add stops/ranks, each stop/rank requires at least one pipe, but you can define it as Pipe001=DUMMY

    PS: Stops with only one pipe show a different behaviour (effect stop) - you get a normal stop behaviour, if you add a second dummy pipe.
    Thanks. Is all this useful info documented anywhere? Or is it just in your head?! It sure would cut down on the number of questions you would have to answer!

    I was just hoping to not have to load all those samples each time I wanted to check a small tweak to the GUI. But I found out that if you cancel the organ load once the ranks are starting to load, you still can load the GUI of the organ. Maybe I'll do this rather than removing all the ranks and putting in dummies to about 60 stops!

    But I have one more question that would save me some time. Is it possible to make a GUI that has a matrix of 8 columns on each side, and eight rows of stops? I know that with this number of columns the positions would have to be entered in absolute values. If I used the standard stop images, (actually image #2) what resolution screen would I
    need?

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    GO ships a complete, telegram style ODF reference in its help. I try to make sure, that the ODF reference in the help always matches its GO version.

    If the changes are so minor, that you can import settings from prior versions, you can set the organ to "don't load" in the organ dialog and press save.

    All drawstops have the same size (same for the buttons). The HW1 layout uses 78x69 for each drawstop, 44x40 for a button. A manual octave has a width of 7 * 12. A pedal octave has a with of 11 * 7. Manual height is 32, pedal height is 40. That way, you should be able to estimate the size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e9925248 View Post
    GO ships a complete, telegram style ODF reference in its help. I try to make sure, that the ODF reference in the help always matches its GO version.

    If the changes are so minor, that you can import settings from prior versions, you can set the organ to "don't load" in the organ dialog and press save.

    All drawstops have the same size (same for the buttons). The HW1 layout uses 78x69 for each drawstop, 44x40 for a button. A manual octave has a width of 7 * 12. A pedal octave has a with of 11 * 7. Manual height is 32, pedal height is 40. That way, you should be able to estimate the size.
    Thanks.
    I found in reality it wasn't necessary to make the rank-less ODF. The organ loaded very quickly after each change.
    Although the help file is very good, you must agree that it is not absolutely comprehensive. Maybe instead of complaining about it I should do something about filling in the details!
    While laying out the console I used a little widget that put the mouse co-ordinates on the screen. This was very helpful.
    Mick.
    Last edited by Mick Berg; May-03-2015 at 05:33.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Berg View Post
    Although the help file is very good, you must agree that it is not absolutely comprehensive. Maybe instead of complaining about it I should do something about filling in the details!
    If you want to improve the help, here is our source:
    https://sourceforge.net/p/ourorgan/s...grandorgue.xml

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    Quote Originally Posted by e9925248 View Post
    If you want to improve the help, here is our source:
    https://sourceforge.net/p/ourorgan/s...grandorgue.xml
    I'll give it a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Berg View Post
    I'll give it a go.
    Your information is in fact pretty complete, just hard to find sometimes. I am going through the file, correcting the many typos, and expanding and clarifying when I can.
    I would appreciate information on the 'switch', what it is, and why and when you would use it. The help is definitely lacking in this area.
    Mick.

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    The GO demo set uses them.

    A switch can be used as an input switch or as logic element.
    You can use it eg. to model stop noise, apels (or even much more complex things).

    You can only model a stateless logic: It should allow to (mostly) implement functions found on organ with an electric register tracker. The state of any controlled object can only determined by the state of all input switches - you can't model "if X is pressed then switch Y off". You can only model something like "while X is on and Y is off, Z is on else off".

    A more complex usecase would be modelling "Freie Kombinationen" similar to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:R...h_Register.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by e9925248 View Post
    The GO demo set uses them.

    A switch can be used as an input switch or as logic element.
    You can use it eg. to model stop noise, apels (or even much more complex things).

    You can only model a stateless logic: It should allow to (mostly) implement functions found on organ with an electric register tracker. The state of any controlled object can only determined by the state of all input switches - you can't model "if X is pressed then switch Y off". You can only model something like "while X is on and Y is off, Z is on else off".

    A more complex usecase would be modelling "Freie Kombinationen" similar to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:R...h_Register.jpg
    Now that is one strange console! I don't plan to try to imitate that. Sorry to have to ask but which is the GO demo organ?
    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick Berg View Post
    Now that is one strange console! I don't plan to try to imitate that. Sorry to have to ask but which is the GO demo organ?.
    GO ships a small sampleset.

    http://www.magle.dk/music-forums/187...31-demo-4.html

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