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    Hey Florestan! What you're saying about Wagner and the Flying Dutchman,
    is what got me going myself about translating opera into English.
    I was saying a translated remake would make a great Pirates of the Caribbean episode.

    I'll just say Scottish, but Scottish people have the best global trivia.

    You have to admit, modern day digital photography would make any stage,
    any big opera stage, look like an ocean if they wanted to.
    That's another thing I think about opera, using modern props.

    It's hard to believe now, that the Phantom of the Opera had such a huge, lifestyle influence,
    because they were the first to use hundreds of candles to light up the stage.
    Even Sting was running around a room full of candles, knocking them down in the end.

    I stopped in to visit a buy and sell friend,
    and he was saying he was down to $5 for any box set of DVDs.
    Of course, what kind of DVDs are laying around here that no-one wants to see,
    besides exercise and American Christians,
    adult symphony, and I'm hoping opera, somewhere in there.
    I've got two Phantom of the Opera on DVD, hard to not buy for $1.
    yeah, I saw that in Toronto when it first came out.

    You didn't have to remind me about John the Baptist.
    That's who I'm named after.
    And it will be someone eating Salami who orders my head. Yowza!

    Any chance you find yourself staring off into space,
    wondering where all the notes you were making disappeared,
    and then, suddenly, the face and voice of Tom Hulse is laughing at you,
    dressed in his pink Amadeus wig, twinkling away on some cosmic keyboard,
    and I wonder upon his star who I would have picked to play the part.
    Someone taller, and more elegant, as Mozart would have to be.
    His father was.
    I see Tom Hulse as an American Englishman, a more puffy, boyish face.
    People from Europe tend to have more defined features.
    Of course, I'm coming at you from the land of the new obesity.
    Porcine people, with a new, interior body fat from eating industrial pork every day,
    and all the sucrose glucose, a new fat lining the kidney that never existed before.
    Maybe a modern Mozart could go through a weight loss crisis.
    yeah, and this time Salieri could be a vampire.

    I can see Mozart on Oprah, giggling just a little, seeming to be down,
    talking about his excess weight, how tight his wigs fit, runs in his hosery,
    when Prince suddenly runs in and jumps up on top of the grand piano,
    and starts singing his new hit song while he reaches down to toe the keys,
    and trigger samples and loops as he sings.
    Mozart starts running and then starts a long slide, ending up under the keyboard,
    but when he reaches up from underneath nothing happens,
    Prince hasn't programmed the other keys to do anything,
    Mozart gets up stunned, unable to play when 88 keys are in front of him,
    and that's when one of the musicians from the studio band gets up,
    and starts whacking him with a roll of sheet music,
    because his mother made him sit and play Mozart as a child, every day.

    One of Mozarts roadies runs out, pushing everyone else away,
    and straps a portable keyboard over his shoulder,
    so that Mozart goes over and starts to strafe the studio band,
    hitting some sick synth sounds, his wireless over-riding Princes' commands,
    before he hits his pre-sets and starts one of his caprices,
    going through the audience and leading them outside for a conga line,
    moving fast enough to avoid the New York zombies,
    and proving he actually is alive, and isn't royalty free.
    That's when he really gets mysteriously killed.
    I like it. I could play Liszt, only on electric guitar.
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    Edgar Winter was the innovator who put a guitar strap on an electronic keyboard to play it hanging around his neck. So perhaps Edgar is the modern day Mozart. I see Mozart as a party boy and he would be having a good time if he were around today but what music would he be creating? Classical or pop?

    Here is the full Wagner Flying Dutchman. You have to buy the DVD to get English subs. This is a KILLER performance. Highly recommended. Conducted by Swallisch.

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    I've been sitting here for a while, the episode ending just repeating and repeating,
    a quiet, almost funereal piece, where it just continues, not hearing a beginning, or end.
    What you said, what music Mozart would be doing, became what Mozart could be doing.

    Some times... just some times, I stop to think what would Jimi Hendrix do...
    but nowadays, that's more about ending a movie scene, how it is seen, how it resonates, how it sounds.

    What you are showing here yourself, really says it all.
    Mozart would have taken his opera to the film stage, doing it all.
    I think our question for ourselves, here right now,
    is, would Mozart put himself in one of his own movies?

    I see him as automatically thinking he's the composer and conductor,
    for symphonies to operas,
    so he might never have thought he could be onstage as well.

    I really can't imagine what Mozart could do.
    You could say he was a child star.
    He grew up surrounded by the greatest artwork and architecture.
    The greatest performers would be his to choose from.

    We all know he worked hard to promote his musical legend,
    only showing pieces that were transcribed as complete without error.
    so Mozart would be going for the viral video,
    and using an electric piano synth with soft echo and phase shifting,
    for the first time,
    he'll release a meditative, deep blue wigged with hanging kelp,
    self-recording called "Sketches of Rain". And on purpose, he won't use any trumpets.

    And just as Mozart influenced musicians in the past,
    he'll have a more immediate effect in North American society.
    His purposeful non-use of trumpets for his first, precedent setting hit record,
    just like Prince not having any bass in "When Doves Cry",
    creates contention in the offices where Miles Davis is recording,
    saying he feels trumpets are over in modern pop,
    so he puts out a new album where he's getting all mod-pop-bop about it.

    yeah, I can see Mozart, Amadeus, looking out over our global world,
    and thinking I'd better get everybody up there onstage,
    and show them how to harmonize together.
    That's all his music ever did, bring people together.

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    It is always wise to consider all alternatives,
    but the weight of tradition, and the weight of bilingual publishings,
    makes this only a concept for me.
    We need new operas, even pop-operas, not more translations.

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    Again, Master Noto Von Heft, I see you coming out online, for the first time,
    even if your comment is general, and doesn't tell us about your background,
    and why you would make such a comment, saying "not more translations".
    Again, I reach deeply into the Clan Watt archive,
    to demonstrate your background, and all the factors that led to that horrific musical event,
    when so many lives were lost, and what huge architecture and property was damaged.

    This I can tell, what music, what sheet music, was involved.
    The perfection the powers to be expected, went not only for the musical science,
    but for the musical compositions themselves, all new, all about your new powering of music.
    Of course, being told that Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart only wrote perfect sheet music,
    became the desire of you and your scientific team, soon to be called, DerLegibles.
    That name alone should provide a clue as to your powering of new, adaptive musical instruments.
    What began as musical invention, soon became a weapon of war.

    I can't imagine the stress of presenting a musical composition,
    that not only is supposed to be written out perfectly, but is perfect music in itself.
    You were correct to think this revolutionary boost in volume, in its much louder capacitance,
    would affect the listener in stronger ways, even the air surrounding you.
    This is the only known photograph of "DerLegibles" at work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noto Von Heft View Post
    It is always wise to consider all alternatives,
    but the weight of tradition, and the weight of bilingual publishings,
    makes this only a concept for me.
    We need new operas, even pop-operas, not more translations.
    Thank goodness for Gilbert and Sullivan.
    I don’t want a signature any more

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    That is a totally astute use of names, considering the horrific loss of lives,
    from the first opera performance that featured new, scientific symphonic instruments.
    Gilbert and Sullivan, GaS, were only fancy pants, compared to Noto Von Heft and his lovely wife.
    He's not to blame if military applications only created more world wars loss of lives.
    The opera the DerLegibles composed was so uplifting, with these first use scientific instruments,
    it created this horrific first performance event that caused so many loss of lives, and damage,
    turned it into heftier than air weapons, while transforming their names... again....
    it's not their blame.

    I'm trying to help Noto Von Heft gain full membership here, in "new members introduce yourselves".

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