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    Re: Opinions on modern music

    Well, it appears that I am reviving an old stream of conversation, though, I would like to chime in a bit...

    I have found it very difficult to find other composers who are involved in ACOUSTIC/chamber avant garde music. There seems to be a whole lot out there on the "pop" end (experimental / noise bands etc.), and a lot of new digital music, but so very few serious composers of "new music", that is avant, experimental, that is directly descendent from the 20th century modernist composers- or am I just missing it?

    I could be looking in the wrong places. I was hoping to connect with others here...

    -Michael

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    Re: Opinions on modern music

    In my experience the problem is one of listening. Duriong the early 20th century the speed of change in the evolution of new music speeded up enormously; compare 'Ein Heldenleben' , which was state of the art in 1898, with Schoenberg's 'Five Pieces' iop.16, of only ten years later.

    But the habit of active listening suffered a decline, largely due to the introoduction of replayable recorded music, the 'I can listen to it later' syndrome. Few eol nowadats listen withbthe intensity that they did before recordings came along.

    If you do (and I did 30 years ago when I discovered Webern) then it is not 'difficult ' at all. All you need to do is put aside yuor preconceptiions about what musuc ouggh to siound like and tell yourself to lsten to what you hear, with an open mind,a dn see what you make of it.

    You will need to concentrate, but, believe me, it's worth it. My life has ben enrigched byu listening to the later works of Boulez, such a s 'Repons' 'Sur Incises' and '...explosante-fixe...', and by the symphonies of Per Norgaard.

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    Re: Opinions on modern music

    I like what you have to say. Your comments about listening, and the recording industry ring true for me.

    I appreciate your suggestions of composers, and will investigate those.

    What I am looking for, as a composer, is a community of composers of what Udo Kasemets calls "living music"- contemporary art music, new music, avant garde, experimental (...). Are there specific recording labels, forums, lists, etc. that anyone knows of?

    Thank you thank you thank you for your assistance.

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    Re: Opinions on modern music

    I know that I came across earlier in this topic as one who hates avant garde music, but I do find your type of work fascinating, just am a little old fashioned as to what I expect to hear in certain settings.
    I really would like to experience the music where it was written to be and even explained, but my computer won't download such files. Hope I've cleared any reputation as a closed minded old fashioned weird person I may have had.

    Or maybe I'll stay weird

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    I know that I came across earlier in this topic as one who hates avant garde music, but I do find your type of work fascinating, just am a little old fashioned as to what I expect to hear in certain settings.
    I really would like to experience the music where it was written to be and even explained, but my computer won't download such files. Hope I've cleared any reputation as a closed minded old fashioned weird person I may have had.

    Or maybe I'll stay weird
    http://home.comcast.net/~jhyamamoto/blmd.mid

    I did this using 'alegoric (music based on math)'
    methods. Sorta sounds like jazz ???????

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    Can't seem to get my computer to play music from the internet! I'll try on a different one, really want to hear what it sounds like, jazz is definitely good.

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    hmm... jazz you say? hmm... that would have to be because of the instrumentation? or? - doesn't have an especially jazzy-feeling to me... maybe you can elaborate on your "jazz" - how do you go about making the math-part of "music" such as this? do tell... I find it rather fascinating actually I guess you've used Zell for this one too?

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    It's a midi file so it should play easily. Hope you can hear it. I need feedback....

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    hmm... jazz you say? hmm... that would have to be because of the instrumentation? or? - doesn't have an especially jazzy-feeling to me... maybe you can elaborate on your "jazz" - how do you go about making the math-part of "music" such as this? do tell... I find it rather fascinating actually I guess you've used Zell for this one too?
    You may be right
    It's avante garde classical ????
    Seems 'jazzy' to me because of the syncopated bass against the solid ride cymbal. And the atonality (though not all jazz is anything near atonal, much of the older be-bop type stuff gets pretty far out) The math part comes from my use of just intonation type composition. With midi it would have to be called 'quasi just' because I use the standard scale but derive the notes mathematically.
    for C major: (numerical ratios)

    6=c , 8=f , 9=g
    3 , 4, 5 = major triad
    so:
    3x6=18=g.....3x8=24=c.......3x9=27=d
    4x6=24=c.....4x8=32=f.......4x9=36=g
    5x6=30=e.....5x8=40=a.......5x9=45=b
    etc.........etc....... Thank You for the interest

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    Re: Opinions on modern music

    I am working on a smaller stream of my works for you to stream, or down-load.
    for now I have posted a 32Kb/s version of a clip from a work that has recently been completed called ARCHITECTURE.

    www.michaeladoherty.com

    click on the "Sound" link and then chose "32kbs" next to the title of the work.

    I will be working on low bit resolutions of "Ten Words..." and the "Noise Pieces" in the coming days.

    Take care all...

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    Re: Opinions on modern music

    Way Cool ! You must be 1 mile high
    You've Transcended Melody
    Here's me from the other end:
    Trying to develope melody from random numbers....
    My best shot so far:
    http://zelsoftware.com/Contrib/polyrhythm2.mid

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    Re: Opinions on modern music

    Yo! a newbie! I'm a (sort of) composer, and I was interested to read some of the earlier posts to this thread, I see there havn't been any posts recently anyway so perhaps this will revive the debate!

    I was just wondering where people think that "serious" music (please don't start that argument again!) is going now. I personally find it very hard to be innovative in my compositions, I seem to have adopted a sort of Late Romantic style combine with features of modalism and Neo-classicism, so as you can see, nothing new, just a combo of the old. I started thinking, music gradually evolved over the centuries and rules were invented culminating in the Baroque period where ultimate order in terms of composition was achieved, and then these rule broke down until now, and we have ultimate chaos again. Taking into account the two other most popular periods of music, Classical and Romantic, you could say that the Baroque was the period of ultimate order, and the Romantic was the period of ultimate Expression. The classical period would then logically be the ultimate compromise between order and expression, form and elegance, or as Haydn himself said "A balance of the Emotions and the Intellect". This dissolved down to the approach now that not only are there any rules, that even expressionism and impressionism are becoming obsolete, to the extent that melody/harmony/rhythm are distorted beyond recognition of even the first period of musical chaos before the "rise". Now literally any combination of frequencies and wave-patterns is used (and I'm not only referring to electronic but acoustic music as well) even a designated period of silence and NO sound is "written" and then published, sold and "performed", one can't help but ask, where from here?

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    Re: Opinions on modern music

    one should begin from where one is. to look within and see what there is, to start from sctrach, in ones own way.

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    Re: Opinions on modern music

    Anonymous - what pray tell do you mean by that in answering the post of McVities... subtlety is not bad but this just doesn't make sence for me... - anyone?

    McVities - interesting post, I'll return with a (insightfull) respons later...

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    Question: "one can't help but ask, where from here?"
    Response: "one should begin from where one is. to look within and see what there is, to start from sctrach, in ones own way."

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