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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    Hi Oneiros,

    Thank you for your flattering comments about my moniker. My moniker is the name of a stop on the Cavaillé-Coll organ of St. Ouen in Rouen. It is a *stringy* flute stop at 16' pitch with a very slight *Horn formant* characteristic. I'm not Italian, just a member of the Northern Teutonic race - a real meat and potatoes guy - WYSIWYG

    Yes, I very much agree with your characterizations Górecki and Pärt's music.

    Pärt wrote the very ravishing *Berliner Messe*, of which I am very enamored of. I got hooked on most of the music of Górecki after hearing his 3rd Symphony.

    Remain in peace,

    Corno Dolce

    Ahh I see. So when you pull out the old 'sweet horn' stop, it's enough to send the preacher's daughters wild during Sunday service... Who could explain to the poor fellow, who thought they were being moved to ecstasy by his sermons, that our friend 'Mr. Dolce' was at work behind the scenes? And that's not to mention what happens once the hymns are finished...

    Apart from a few a capella choral works, I haven't gotten far beyond Gorecki's Third. Our library doesn't have many CDs of his, and I'm too poor to buy anything new.

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    Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler Corno Dolce's Avatar
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    Blessed Oneiros,

    You made me fall off my chair in gut busting laughter ROFLOL. Yes, one Parson's daughter and I became quite amorous. We had a good time together and, thankfully, it didn't extend into intimate carnal relations. She was 20 and I was 35. I felt it of bad form for me to become *involved* with her because of the age difference. Thankfully, we were able to stay on as good friends who exchange e-mails and letters. She is happily married to a nice bloke who I consider to be a brother. My Chinese girlfriend and I are more compatible age wise - only seven years difference.

    A suggestion: Would your local librarian have the werewithal to arrange for an Interlibrary loan so that you could listen to CD's which a major state run University or private University will most assuredly have? Most town librarians would know of how to go about arranging such a loan. Or maybe you are within a reasonable drive to a University and there you could probably get a Community Borrowers Card? Do look into these suggestions.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

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    LMAO. It's a shame that such age difference has gone out of fashion in our day. How old was Herr Schumann when he took fancy to a tender young Clara of 16 years?

    But have you thought about taking the special organ stop on tour? It would be a hit at the nunneries. We could even design some new stops for extra effect, such as 'dolce amore (per Dio)' and 'Estasi di Santa Teresa' (after Bernini's wonderful sculpture).

    Its an interesting topic once one starts digging - it seems that the texts from many of Monteverdi's madrigals contain some fairly sensual overtones. This thought consoles me in such moments as these, verging on blasphemy as I am.

    That's a fine suggestion, but this library is part of the state conservatorium (music institution), in other words its the best we've got. Its quite tragic really.

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    Hello Oneiros,

    I'm a man of propriety. My personal feeling is that it is wrong to involve oneself with a woman who is so much younger. Yes, some will ridicule me and castigate me but I feel better for my position in the dating game.

    That organ stop tour - hmmm - it's enough that the stop is called what it is - we don't need more human involvement than there already is

    The Music Conservatory doesn't have Pärt or Górecki??? Maybe a chat with the desk staff should be able to net you some recordings to loan as a Community borrower. Do they even entertain queries from civilians? They don't?

    Then that is a very bad situation, when a publicly funded institution denies even a very basic service to those who pay taxes that keep those people employed.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    lol. Alright then, I guess I'll have to make it a solo tour. *sigh*

    The library has some Górecki - about two CD's worth. But at least there's plenty of Pärt to keep me happy. I might ask the librarian anyway - she's a very nice lady. (don't go getting any ideas now).


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    Hello Oneiros,

    Solo tour it'll have to be then

    I'm glad that the librarian is a nice lady - maybe she can help you in your quest for more Górecki.

    Moi? getting any ideas now??? please perish the thought. I'm way beyond the *hormone hurricane* stage of teenage boys.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    Moi? getting any ideas now??? please perish the thought. I'm way beyond the *hormone hurricane* stage of teenage boys.
    Well that makes one of us at least.

    Even though I'm beyond the terrible teens... Solitude does strange things to a man's mind.

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    Hello Oneiros,

    Ooooh Boy, a man in solitude - hopefully he is then a member of an order, like the Masons, Shriners, etc, etc, etc or a monk in the Catholic or Orthodox Church. A lone Alpha Male Wolf can be quite problematical sometimes. I had once been without the graces of female company for a protracted period of time - I felt miserable and I began to notice things about my person which scared me. Then, along came Jade and whipped my butt into shape. She provides the sounding board for us and daily she proves that Man and Woman were made for each other because they are different and that their differences compliment each other and help to break down unhealthy notions and patterns. She is God's gift to me, no doubt about that!!!

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oneiros View Post
    LMAO. It's a shame that such age difference has gone out of fashion in our day. How old was Herr Schumann when he took fancy to a tender young Clara of 16 years?
    I thought I read somewhere that he was 18 and she was 11 at the time.

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    Yes you've got the right idea there Corno.



    And you are also lucky to come across a nice female companion. The trouble I have found, is that after so many years in the forest, the hermit's social skills (or lack thereof) have seized me. And so when a lovely woman comes along, which happened recently, it is like watching Parsifal tripping over himself and making a terrible mess of things. It's actually quite funny sometimes - to observe one's own wretchedness.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomato View Post
    I thought I read somewhere that he was 18 and she was 11 at the time.
    Goodness, so it gets worse. And then we add Brahms into the equation, who was how much younger than Clara? Those Romantics...

    I managed to dig up some more Górecki too. All choral works, should be interesting.
    Last edited by Oneiros; Oct-22-2007 at 16:35.

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    Hello Oneiros,

    Imho Brahms had an extremely severe case of *puppy love* for Clara. Poor Brahms really had it difficult with the womenfolk. Let us remember that he was helping to bring in cash flow to the family by playing piano in the bars and *cathouses* at the wharves in Hamburg, Germany where all the world's randy sailors gathered, eagerly waiting to get their turn for some *female attention*. Brahms had a fair visage when he was in his teens so it is not at all unlikely that he had been invited by many a lass for a romp in the hay.

    Now, after having experienced the seamy-side of society Brahms was probably shattered for life. What he most likely saw in Hamburg would never have been permissible for an underage boy to see. Today, anything goes. Even some parents dress up their small daughters to look like a girl of *ill repute*. My girlfriend and I are appalled by what is going on.

    All the best,

    Corno Dolce

    Btw - please don't become too engaged in observing, as you said, *one's own wretchedness*. It is a vicious circle which feeds off itself - like a continual feedback loop. I know - I was there - and it scared the living daylights out of me.
    Last edited by Corno Dolce; Oct-22-2007 at 18:58.
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Aye I remember reading about Brahms' early days. It's a wonder he turned into a great composer - I respect him a lot for that.

    And don't worry - It's a long time since I last hacked myself to bits with self-criticism. Now I just laugh instead. Would you agree, that once one has seen the dark side of the mind, one knows how not to think, and how to make sure it never strays into that territory again?

    Well we are certainly masters of digression eh.

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    Hello Oneiros,

    *Once one has seen one's dark side* - Oooh man, that dark and yawning chasm - Yikes!!! sorta like this:

    http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/grap...920_xthumb.jpg

    Fall into that and you will NOT have had a good day - every molecule and atom of your being will have been shredded into nothingness.

    Lord have mercy,

    Corno Dolce
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    It's too strange and dissonant. I don't understand it. I prefer Bach...

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    I very much enjoy modern 'classical' music, because it is so different to a lot of other music being written these days. There is a lot of different variety between different modern styles as well, which makes it interesting to explore. I also find it more fun to play modern music.

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