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    Stumbled on this article; thought it could be relevant here (or not)-

    http://www.scena.org/brand/brand.asp...70//A//k=86149

    Too bad I missed the lecture, right in the city where I live...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bilbo47 View Post
    As I understand, the claim for his homosexuality has virtually no support, is based purely on speculation.
    It's so trendy to claim someone's gay that all sources are corrupted. It's as stigmatized now not to be gay as it once (reportedly, not confirmed) was to be gay.

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    I've seen this article, good for you to post it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservationist View Post
    ... It's as stigmatized now not to be gay as it once ... was to be gay.


    No, thanks for that – it's given me the best laugh of the day.

    Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us as to the places in the world that execute heterosexuals for being heterosexual. And maybe you have the statistics for heterosexuals discriminated against and beaten up and murdered for being heterosexuals. And possibly you could list the places where heterosexuals are imprisoned for being, er, heterosexual.

    How this stigma works – what does it prevent heterosexuals doing? How does it affect their lives?

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    Extra Musical Considerations

    As Clarissa was saying, before being rudely interrupted by the moderators, since there is no identifiably "homosexual" way of proportioning a sonata movement, or structuring a cadence, composing a fugue, or conducting a symphony, the question of sexuality would seem to have little bearing on one's consideration of Tchaikovsky's music, and indeed, his unique genius. Certainly, Tchaikovsky's music conveys all the sorrows and vicissitudes that attend all human erotic relationships. Anyway, if you absolutely MUST KNOW, the evidence can be reviewed at the appropriate places, I.E., googlebooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranzD'epinay View Post
    As Clarissa was saying, before being rudely interrupted by the moderators, since there is no identifiably "homosexual" way of proportioning a sonata movement, or structuring a cadence, composing a fugue, or conducting a symphony, the question of sexuality would seem to have little bearing on one's consideration of Tchaikovsky's music, and indeed, his unique genius. Certainly, Tchaikovsky's music conveys all the sorrows and vicissitudes that attend all human erotic relationships. Anyway, if you absolutely MUST KNOW, the evidence can be reviewed at the appropriate places, I.E., googlebooks.
    ''

    I have been visiting this site for over one year and a few observations should be quite evident to those who have been here as long or longer:
    1. the moderators are extremely polite and civilized;
    2. Clarissa did not post anything on this thread;
    3. Clarissa was, shall we say, the antithesis of what I have said about the moderators.

    Conclusion: Sir, you are either completely blind or you are seeking to enjoy the thrill of seeing this thread lockes because of what appears to be a totally erroneous accusation, libel actually. Go back, and revisit Clarissa's few posts and tell me, objectively, who rudely interrupted what, monsieur Franz d'Espinay.

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    whatever makes you think that he is "straight" according to russians? As a matter of fact, there was quite a large wave of jokes/comments pertaining to Tchaikovskiy's homosexuality in Russia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FranzD'epinay View Post
    As Clarissa was saying, before being rudely interrupted by the moderators . . .
    Franz,

    Nobody has rudely or otherwise interrupted Clarissa in this thread ... Clarissa has no posts in this thread ...
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    Clarissa deserves interruption as she often makes outrageous (and silly) comments and has aptly demonstrated this on many occasions. If you're going to post in an open community forum like this, be prepared to support your views and keep a civil tongue in your head ...

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    I'm like Sybarite on this one. Big Deal! I would rather know of the
    talent he had when he wrote the music to the Nutcracker and Swan Lake.
    I could care less on his life style preference! Let the poor man rest
    in peace.
    judy tooley

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    I have read many books

    The books are saying that he was homosexual...The letters to his brother, also homosexual. There is no doubt...Are you going to like less his music because of that?

    That's ridiculous, I think.

    Many composers were gay: Britten, Ravel...Do you like his bolero?

    Well....enough.

    Martin

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    Well said, Martin!
    Whatever floats your boat May your reach always exceed your grasp

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    I agree Martin, it is his music that counts.


    Margaret

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    Personally I couldn’t give 2 hoots what gender he prefers or his politics, so long as it is not forced down my throat. I love his/her music and that is all that matters to me.
    I don’t want a signature any more

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    Well! I have seen many people with titles here: Administrator, commodore, Vice Admiiral virtupso, etc.

    I have decided to have a title myself...in French for a chage:

    Trou-du-cul.

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