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    Quote Originally Posted by c.demontesquiou View Post
    I believe it was Monsieur D'Epinay who intoned this sentiment, in this very thread . . . four years ago -- if imbecility was painful, everyone on this forum would be in agony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
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    Reconciling my exorbitant habits with my net income.

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    Maybe you should try buying--and using--less bananas!
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    and with that, I am a seaman my fellow magleites! mezzo-forte!

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    I think he/she has gone down with it (The boat)
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    Colin, methinks you're right! As long as he doesn't take anybody down with him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Roussak View Post
    Hi Bilbo47,

    I can't judge about your reasons to find out whether Tschaikowsky was a gay or not - but as I myself was born in Russia, I can tell you it is just a commonplace between the musicians there. I have never met anybody who would say Tschaikowsky was not a gay, though it might be a little bit difficult to prove this fact in any court. But everybody knows it - as well as nobody raises the like question concerning Bach or Chopin.

    But - should it really matter???

    As for me, I DON'T LIKE TSCHAIKOWSKY and, say,David Bowie. I like ( and very much ) Elton John and Freddie Mercury. If the music is good - then the sexual orientation of the composer is not that important, isn't it?

    Am I wrong??

    All the best
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    Freddie died from AIDS, Tchaikovsky (in English we write it that way) didn't. LOL. This place, if you don't mind is rather for classical music...Then Elton John and Mercury are not discussed here.

    Respectful,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alban Berg View Post
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    Freddie died from AIDS, Tchaikovsky (in English we write it that way) didn't.
    You couldn't think of anything intelligent to say here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contratrombone64 View Post
    You couldn't think of anything intelligent to say here?
    The same way you said a brilliant thing in the Russian opera thread...?

    I think the subject is over....We like his music, we close our eyes, we accept the guy...Period. I am not smarter than you are.

    Martin, annoyed

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    Frankly, I wonder how anybody can still write that Tchaikovsky's homosexuality has """virtually no support"""... The previously censured parts of his correspondance make clear that he had sex with men, as Poznansky, a distinguished specialist of Tchaikovsky's life, showed it in his books. Moreover, Modest, Tchaikovsky's brother, states clearly in his autobiography that Piotr was homosexual, like himself. So it's a conclusive fact that Tchaikovsky was homosexual. The title of you post "Tchaikovsky's heterosexuality", is complete nonsense, not even "speculation".

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    Its the music that is important as far as I am concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHC View Post
    Its the music that is important as far as I am concerned.
    People allege HERE that there would be "virtually no support" for Tchaikovsky's homosexuality. I reply that this historical fact has been scholarly and definitely proven by strong evidences. Even in 2007, it was the case for some time, except for ignorant people or people suffering from bad faith.

    In the context of THAT particular thread, THAT is important as far as I am concerned. It was not about Tchaikovsky's music.

    Because that thread was not about Tchaikovsky's music, but rather on Tchaikovsky's """heterosexuality""". A non existing heterosexuality, of course, according to all serious biographers and to all evidences. But that title is a pernicious way to associate artificially the words "Tchaikovsky" and "heterosexuality" on google. Crystal clear. ^^
    Last edited by Krummhorn; Aug-14-2016 at 00:37. Reason: mpm

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    You are obviously trying to make a point but I must be too thick to understand what it is.
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    Oh yeah, I saw JHC with the thread title and had to look.
    Let me help you out here, JHC, and I should have seen this thread sooner.

    First of all, the word gay as implying same-sex wasn't around back then,
    so no-one ever called anyone gay, except for gayblades.
    The overpopulation of humans on this earth is creating mammalian stresses,
    just as other mammal species experience, and develop symptoms from.
    Raping, stealing food, fighting over mates, same-sex and incest.

    That's what gay is, ambivalence about your own sexuality, and life.
    Lesbian is still women loving women, and homosexuality is men loving men,
    what's gone on since time began, even if it helps to do drugs and get bombed.
    Here in Ontario, Canada, I never saw the word gay until the eighties.
    That's when people in Toronto started promoting gay pride.

    And, uh, oh yeah, don't be shy, JHC. I always thought you were too thick,
    even if I just imagined it. Just like that new song I wrote today.
    Last edited by John Watt; Aug-23-2016 at 08:37.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Watt View Post
    Oh yeah, I saw JHC with the thread title and had to look.
    Let me help you out here, JHC, and I should have seen this thread sooner............................................ .....................

    And, uh, oh yeah, don't be shy, JHC. I always thought you were too thick,
    even if I just imagined it. Just like that new song I wrote today.
    Thanks John.
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