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    My father also had a huge LP collection back at home (I had a collection of my own - but those were all children book/stories on LP ). Unfortunately we had to leave all of that behind when we were coming here.

    But yeah, as someone else has mentioned in here, there is plenty of good stuff (and very very cheap I might add) in either little vintage stores or even big music stores, located in funky places (for instance, Rasputin store in Berkeley had a lot)... The problem with those, is that its so hard to get a good equipment for those...
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    I love the sound of vinyl. I was born in 71 and Daddy always had some classic rock legend(s) on the turntable. You can still buy vinyl I found out just a few years back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drummergirlamie View Post
    . . . You can still buy vinyl I found out just a few years back.
    So true ... vinyl is making a comeback and being produced again.

    Wonder what the cost difference is between producing a LP album vs CD album?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krummhorn View Post
    So true ... vinyl is making a comeback and being produced again.

    Wonder what the cost difference is between producing a LP album vs CD album?
    I'm not certain myself, but I heard that was one of the bigger factors in reference to the transition. I guess it's considerably more expensive to make vinyl? Many will claim vinyl is better for pitch.

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    Vinyl is better for pitch? Ummm, I don't think so...One might get a *warmer* sound from vinyl...I, for one, don't miss the clicks, pops, and scratches associated with vinyl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    Vinyl is better for pitch? Ummm, I don't think so...One might get a *warmer* sound from vinyl...I, for one, don't miss the clicks, pops, and scratches associated with vinyl.
    I know what your sayin'. I've never been sold entirely so have never fully subscribed, myself-but I've heard that verbal a good handfull of times. I guess there was a lil' somethin' special in growin' up when I did and witnessing all that change: Vinyl to cassette (with the abominal eight-track encroachment) and then to CD. Wow. I've asked Grandma (81 years not-so old) a few times as to what she thinks about the technological advances she's witnessed and somtimes she'll just smile and shake her head. Makes me feel like the spoiled-ass 21st.Century Digital Girl that I am. Haha. Hey, I got off on a lil' tangent. Sorry 'bout that. But vinyl did have it's own special little sound. Snap, Crackle n' Pop just brings back back memz for some of us wierdoz, I guess?

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    I remember driving with a friend for over two hours to pick up the new C.D. of Robert Johnson when that was hype. Over $80 early 90's. When we got back my tech-talk friend played it and I couldn't hear the low E string. Not only could I play along with this missing part on his acoustic, but he could hear it on my vinyl L.P's, and they are remasters of original cellulose. You get tiny you sound tiny. Tiny artwork. Around here, grabbing an old Board of Education tape recorder is considered a scoop. Those big stereo tape machines with two mikes always sound great. If everyone put C.D. and vinyl and wide tapes side by side you would hear the depth difference. Ever see what's hauled into cinemas for real public entertainment?

    At least back then everyone stood a chance with the same tech. But now, loading a C.D. is nukeUler science, and companies multiple E.Q. product to sound best on their various players and their broadcasters, making any chance of home recordings making it more negligible than ever, except for your wonderful opportunities for free uploading. I bummed out a lot of C.D. enthusiasts for years getting excited myself, saying let's make a C.D. when no user could. The public was held hosting hostage for years.

    If I can add to the mild controversy here, how much of your home high-tech would have been illegal for you to own years ago, being C.I.A. secrets? Audio-video brainwashing, playback psychology, electronic invasion, user interfacing, variable identities: why is this such a good thing as your lifestyle? How has this lifestyle affected your economy? And as a musician, could you survive with online food recipes, C.D's of farm tours and watching cooks on T.V. instead of real food? Not only is it still Support Live Music, now it's Support Live Life. And as a famous global computer prophet said in the 60's, in the future you'll find out you have to pay for losing a war you didn't see, watching the news on T.V.

    Personally, I still use my double cassette deck radio to grab tunes off air or off T.V. and make copies for band members. And I'm bad, taping over unpopular product sold cheaper than blanks, like The Best of Rimsky Korsikov by The Danish Philharmonic Orchestra, Vladamir Horowitz with The Deutsche Grammophone Symphony, The Twenty Top Sixties Hits of Motown, A Collection of Jazz Standards by The Original Artists, The Best of Bach on The Hawaiian Wanalotapipea Festival Organ by Cornola Dolcemo, and my own band tapes I don't like anymore.

    Vinyl required care and maintenance to sound clean, not as much effort as learning to sing and play the music yourself. Ever hear L.P. noise from radio stations storing thousands? Why did the public's diamond needle quality deteriorate so badly? Not sound engineering, this social engineering.
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    Till recently I owned close to 1,000 classical LP's here in London - many of them bought at sales over years. Can you imagine carrying them, or moving house with them ? LOL. My favourite was a great collection of Bach and the whole collection had records in different states of preservation. The oldest recordings I had came from 1907 and the most recent was in the late 1990's. Certainly, vinyl recordings played on a good direct drive turntable, with a high grade (valve) amplifier and a good cartridge/needle with good speakers produces a depth of sound, a warm resonance, that is often missing completely, even from sanitised C.D.'s. It can be amazing. And that, (to me and others) is a plain fact. Vinyl recordings are also far more numerous than C.D. recordings. Even vinyl mono recordings can sound tremendous.

    The fact that vinyl records, turntables and valve amplifiers are still used by D.J.'s speaks for itself. Such sound quality can be truly marvellous. So if you win lots of money, or are left some by a rich aunt, get a vinyl record collection and a record player. You'll see !!!

    Viva Vinyl !!!!

    (Last refuge of vinyl classical recordings - London England - LOL !)
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Watt View Post
    I remember driving with a friend for over two hours to pick up the new C.D. of Robert Johnson when that was hype. Over $80 early 90's. When we got back my tech-talk friend played it and I couldn't hear the low E string. Not only could I play along with this missing part on his acoustic, but he could hear it on my vinyl L.P's, and they are remasters of original cellulose. You get tiny you sound tiny. Tiny artwork. Around here, grabbing an old Board of Education tape recorder is considered a scoop. Those big stereo tape machines with two mikes always sound great. If everyone put C.D. and vinyl and wide tapes side by side you would hear the depth difference. Ever see what's hauled into cinemas for real public entertainment?

    At least back then everyone stood a chance with the same tech. But now, loading a C.D. is nukeUler science, and companies multiple E.Q. product to sound best on their various players and their broadcasters, making any chance of home recordings making it more negligible than ever, except for your wonderful opportunities for free uploading. I bummed out a lot of C.D. enthusiasts for years getting excited myself, saying let's make a C.D. when no user could. The public was held hosting hostage for years.

    If I can add to the mild controversy here, how much of your home high-tech would have been illegal for you to own years ago, being C.I.A. secrets? Audio-video brainwashing, playback psychology, electronic invasion, user interfacing, variable identities: why is this such a good thing as your lifestyle? How has this lifestyle affected your economy? And as a musician, could you survive with online food recipes, C.D's of farm tours and watching cooks on T.V. instead of real food? Not only is it still Support Live Music, now it's Support Live Life. And as a famous global computer prophet said in the 60's, in the future you'll find out you have to pay for losing a war you didn't see, watching the news on T.V.

    Personally, I still use my double cassette deck radio to grab tunes off air or off T.V. and make copies for band members. And I'm bad, taping over unpopular product sold cheaper than blanks, like The Best of Rimsky Korsikov by The Danish Philharmonic Orchestra, Vladamir Horowitz with The Deutsche Grammophone Symphony, The Twenty Top Sixties Hits of Motown, A Collection of Jazz Standards by The Original Artists, The Best of Bach on The Hawaiian Wanalotapipea Festival Organ by Cornola Dolcemo, and my own band tapes I don't like anymore.

    Vinyl required care and maintenance to sound clean, not as much effort as learning to sing and play the music yourself. Ever hear L.P. noise from radio stations storing thousands? Why did the public's diamond needle quality deteriorate so badly? Not sound engineering, this social engineering.
    Hi there John Watt,

    Yes, I agree with a lot of this. The record player, vinyl records, turntables etc. were (together with the 'reel to reel' tape players) no doubt the greatest sound quality we have ever known. For some years it was trendy to like C.D.'s. Today we have little choice.

    But, honest, listen to a great orchestra and you can hear that wonderful resonance of the sounds created between the players. A whole range of harmonics that are simply lost when we hear the same piece on C.D. The interaction between these instruments IS music. And it's lost on C.D's. time after time. I once challenged a friend on this subject and played him a symphony on vinyl against his C.D. recording. He was completely amazed.

    The wonderful bass parts of vinyl recordings. The warmth of the music on these (analogue) recordings. Stolen from us by enforced digital technology, whose productions cut off many frequencies. I think music lovers should at least try to compare them. Record players win every time.

    I am unashamedly analogue in this ''digital world'' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

    Regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Watt View Post
    I remember driving with a friend for over two hours to pick up the new C.D. of Robert Johnson when that was hype. Over $80 early 90's. When we got back my tech-talk friend played it and I couldn't hear the low E string. Not only could I play along with this missing part on his acoustic, but he could hear it on my vinyl L.P's, and they are remasters of original cellulose. You get tiny you sound tiny. Tiny artwork. Around here, grabbing an old Board of Education tape recorder is considered a scoop. Those big stereo tape machines with two mikes always sound great. If everyone put C.D. and vinyl and wide tapes side by side you would hear the depth difference. Ever see what's hauled into cinemas for real public entertainment?

    At least back then everyone stood a chance with the same tech. But now, loading a C.D. is nukeUler science, and companies multiple E.Q. product to sound best on their various players and their broadcasters, making any chance of home recordings making it more negligible than ever, except for your wonderful opportunities for free uploading. I bummed out a lot of C.D. enthusiasts for years getting excited myself, saying let's make a C.D. when no user could. The public was held hosting hostage for years.

    If I can add to the mild controversy here, how much of your home high-tech would have been illegal for you to own years ago, being C.I.A. secrets? Audio-video brainwashing, playback psychology, electronic invasion, user interfacing, variable identities: why is this such a good thing as your lifestyle? How has this lifestyle affected your economy? And as a musician, could you survive with online food recipes, C.D's of farm tours and watching cooks on T.V. instead of real food? Not only is it still Support Live Music, now it's Support Live Life. And as a famous global computer prophet said in the 60's, in the future you'll find out you have to pay for losing a war you didn't see, watching the news on T.V.

    Personally, I still use my double cassette deck radio to grab tunes off air or off T.V. and make copies for band members. And I'm bad, taping over unpopular product sold cheaper than blanks, like The Best of Rimsky Korsikov by The Danish Philharmonic Orchestra, Vladamir Horowitz with The Deutsche Grammophone Symphony, The Twenty Top Sixties Hits of Motown, A Collection of Jazz Standards by The Original Artists, The Best of Bach on The Hawaiian Wanalotapipea Festival Organ by Cornola Dolcemo, and my own band tapes I don't like anymore.

    Vinyl required care and maintenance to sound clean, not as much effort as learning to sing and play the music yourself. Ever hear L.P. noise from radio stations storing thousands? Why did the public's diamond needle quality deteriorate so badly? Not sound engineering, this social engineering.
    Didn't Rolling Stone rank Robert Johnson as the greatest ever? What little I've heard of the guy sounded great. I'm gonna hafta download some of his stuff.

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    Vinyl Is Back

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/10/vin....ap/index.html

    (There are numerous articles out on the web concerning the returning of vinyl recordings if one wishes to investigate but here is the article from the link above in case anyone has trouble "connecting" - personally I'm kinda glad to see it back, because I agree with the preference of the vinyl - for a number of reasons included in the article, myself)

    This spring, an employee intending to order a special CD-DVD edition of R.E.M.'s latest release "Accelerate" inadvertently entered the "LP" code instead. Soon boxes of the big, vinyl discs showed up at several stores.
    Some sent them back. But a handful put them on the shelves, and 20 LPs sold the first day.
    The Portland-based company, owned by The Kroger Co., realized the error might not be so bad after all. Fred Meyer is now testing vinyl sales at 60 of its stores in Oregon, Washington and Alaska. The company says, based on the response so far, it plans to roll out vinyl in July in all its stores that sell music.
    Other mainstream retailers are giving vinyl a spin too. Best Buy is testing sales at some stores. And online music giant Amazon.com, which has sold vinyl for most of the 13 years it has been in business online, created a special vinyl-only section last fall.
    The best-seller so far at Fred Meyer is The Beatles album "Abbey Road." But musicians from the White Stripes and the Foo Fighters to Metallica and Pink Floyd are selling well, the company says.
    "It's not just a nostalgia thing," said Melinda Merrill, spokeswoman for Fred Meyer. "The response from customers has just been that they like it, they feel like it has a better sound."
    According to the Recording Industry Association of America, manufacturers' shipments of LPs jumped more than 36 percent from 2006 to 2007 to more than 1.3 million. Shipments of CDs dropped more than 17 percent during the same period to 511 million, as they lost some ground to digital formats.
    The resurgence of vinyl centers on a long-standing debate over analog versus digital sound. Digital recordings capture samples of sound and place them very close together as a complete package that sounds nearly identical to continuous sound to many people.
    Analog recordings on most LPs are continuous, which produces a truer sound -- though, paradoxically, some new LP releases are being recorded and mixed digitally but delivered analog.
    Some purists also argue that the compression required to allow loudness in some digital formats weakens the quality as well.
    But it's not just about the sound. Audiophiles say they also want the format's overall experience -- the sensory experience of putting the needle on the record, the feeling of side A and side B and the joy of lingering over the liner notes.
    "I think music products should be more than just music," said Isaac Hudson, a 28-year-old vinyl fan standing outside one of Portland's larger independent music stores.
    The interest seems to be catching on. Turntable sales are picking up, and the few remaining record pressers say business is booming.
    But the LP isn't going to muscle out CDs or iPod soon.
    Nearly 450 million CDs were sold last year, versus just under 1 million LPs, according to Nielsen SoundScan. Based on the first three months of this year, Nielsen says vinyl album sales could reach 1.6 million in 2008.
    "I don't think vinyl is for everyone; it's for the die-hard music consumer," said Jay Millar, director of marketing at United Record Pressing, a Nashville based company that is the nation's largest record pressing plant.
    Many major artists -- Elvis Costello, the Raconteurs and others -- are issuing LPs and encouraging fans to check out their albums on vinyl. On Amazon.com, one of the best-selling LPs is Madonna's latest album, "Hard Candy".
    Some artists package vinyl and digital versions of their music together, including offers for free digital downloads along with the record.
    "We've definitely had some talks with the major retailers about exclusives on the manufacturing end," Millar said of United Record Pressing, which focuses primarily on independent recordings.
    An avid music fan himself, Millar says he has moved to vinyl in recent years.
    "Once I got my first iPod ... I'm looking at my wall of CDs and trying to justify it," Millar said. "The things I like -- the artwork, the liner notes, the sound quality -- it dawns on me, those are things I like better on vinyl." He welcomed back the pops and clicks, even some of the scratches.
    "I like that fact that it's imperfect in a lot of ways, live music is imperfect too," Millar said.
    Independent music stores, which have been the primary source of LPs in recent years, say many fans never left the medium.
    "People have been buying vinyl all along," said Cathy Hagen, manager at 2nd Avenue Records in Portland. "There was a fairly good supply from independent labels on vinyl all these years. As far as a resurgence, the major labels are just pressing more now."
    In this game, big retailers aren't necessarily competing head to head with independent sellers' regular clientele of nostalgic baby boomers, independent label fans and turntable DJs.
    "I cannot see that Best Buy or Fred Meyer would order the same things we would," Hagen said. "They aren't going to be ordering the reggae, funk, punk or industrial music."

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    i was born in 1978.

    i had started listening to vynil since five or six years when music market turned globally digital. what i like in the term digital is the origin of the word. i don't like cd's, i mean not as much as vynil, for reasons that have been too well exposed already on this thread. whatever i listen, it always sounds better on the black flat circle. and i must add that personnal experience is also involved, i can't lie. one of my friends had a beautiful lp collection, mainly rock, progressive music. i delved in it so many times, i "stole" some rarities from it. when the compact disc made its breakthrough, he simply stopped using his vynils. today he's around his 45, and he has a macintosh. he wanted to connect on the internet, like me and so many people. but it seems that he doesn't buy cd's anymore; in the best case his record shop trips are more and more exceptionnal. he can look for and find virtually everything he wants. the famous internet trap.

    lately i heard of a very serious, credible project: the release of albums of which sounds can be separated into different tracks (just like amaster tape), so you can choose not to hear the voice of the lead singer, or cut down the slapping bass, because actually you'd prefer to hear that particular tune without it; you can have a higher volume on the drums, or choose to hear the trumpet one day and the next day not to let it sound. etc etc etc. in a way it reminds me of the quadraphonic system and even some 5.1 mixes. but here we're going straight to a musical decomposition, i mean, decay.

    this is beyond my way of seeing things, as for an artistic product. it's a clue on how things are "evolving".

    i always take what i consider is good for me in progress, but i still will stick to my vynil. man, they're getting all the humidity in my room.

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    I agree with Slash in that, "flipping through one's record collection is such great insight into one's personality." He was congenial with me in that it's even a bit more special when that collection is vinyl.

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    I'm gradually putting my Vynil collection onto CD, got a PC set up with a Garrard turntable, pre-amp and software, I still have a Technics SL-DL1 direct drive linear tracking deck on my now dated HI FI for serious listening.

    The collection of about 200 is quite varied, from early Classical to '60s/70s Prog rock via Jazz and big band swing, Monteverdi Vespers, Bach Organ works, Modern Jazz Quartet, Basie, a boxed set of Porgy and Bess performed by Cleo Laine and Ray Charles, Dutch group Focus and Renaissance with Annie Haslam to name but a few.

    Cheers MIKE

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    since we're in figures... i think i own about a thousand lp's ( classical, jazz, ambiant, experimental, funk, blues, rock, salsa, asian traditionnal, progressive, electronic, hip-hop, reggae, french pop, jazzfunk, soul, metal, and so on) and 150/200 45's. i love finding obscure funk 45's. as time goes by it's less and less often.

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