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    Thumbs up The Atlantic City organ

    I found this link at Frederik Magle's post "Pipe Organ Internet Resources"
    I really like this organ! It has a lot of powerful and orchestral voices. Though I don't think the action is Ideal for the technique that is so useful on a tracker, I suppose, in an instrument of this size it's impossible to have a mechanical action. So, enjoy! http://www.acchos.org

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    Yeah, tracker action would not function very well in an instrument of this size. Then you also have those very high wind pressures to deal with. Tracker action will generally not function at pressures much over 4", unless one employs the *Servo-Pneumatic* lever system as designed by the good people at C.B. Fisk. If memory serves me their instrument at the Meyerson Symphony Center in Dallas has the Resonance division on 12.5" and the Tubas at 25". Also an Untersatz 32' on 19" in the pedal which also has a Tuba Profunda 32' on 25".

    Cheers!

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    I was under the impression that the AC - 7 manual organ was in pretty poor shape because it's too big (and costly) to maintain? Or have I got the wrong one in mind?

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    Hi NEB ...

    Yes, it's true that most of this instrument has been in dis-repair for many years. Here's another article which includes more pictures.
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    Thanks Krummhorn, that's what I thought.

    Cost $400,000 to build in 1929 and took 3 years to build. - Someone must have been a bit canny to have escaped the crash and great depression sufficiently unscathed to finance such a project.

    One thing I couldn't quite pick up on, was the whole thing ever playable or only ever bits of it?

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    H NEB ...

    From what I can gather from this ATOS Site is that it was totally playable at the beginning. Apparently a big storm in 1944 rendered the combination action useless, and other part of this organ suffered water damage.

    Although the AC instrument is the largest organ, it still takes 2nd chair to the Wanamaker Organ which is the largest playable organ in existence.

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    Thanks again Krummhorn.

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    Here's a link about the Wanamaker Organ.

    http://www.answers.com/topic/wanamaker-organ

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    NEB,

    AFAIK, that someone who was canny and avoided the ravages of *The Crash* and *The Great Depression* and swung around to finance the Atlantic City Organ is Sen. Emerson Richards.

    Regards!

    Giovanni

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    Have just glanced thru the ACCHO specs and I'm
    Err, um, how many different ways does one seriously expect to be able to voice a Diapason? 10 on the Great???? Ye gods - could anyone really tell the difference?
    And I've not seen a 10-rank mixture before either.

    It's all a bit overwhelming - I need a drink
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soubasse View Post
    And I've not seen a 10-rank mixture before either.
    Such big mixtures are actually quite old. Cavaillé-Coll put a 10 rank Plein-Jeu in the Madeleine organ, and even planned a 15 rank Plein-Jeu in his proposal for Liverpool (a contract he didn't get).

    There are much older examples, such as the organ in Bernau, Germany, built by Scherer in 1572, with a 12 rank mixture.

    After all, mixtures grew out initially from the medieval Blockwerk whose number of ranks could be substantially larger (such as in the 1361 organ in Halberstadt).

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    Soubasse,

    All those diapason ranks are of different metals and woods and with differing windpressures to boot. Also to keep in mind is that the Atlantic City Auditorium is a HUGE space. Also to keep in mind are those diapason ranks producing a tone unlike anything else. Don't sweat the details, ok?

    Regards!

    Giovanni

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    Obviously I need to get out more ... besides, what do you expect living in a land of cultural Philistines?

    My experiences of multiple Diapasons is limited to badly voiced ones on quasi-English style cathedral instruments which, when used together, only have the effect of seriously muddying things. I also did work experience with a voicer who claimed that he saw little point in having any more than three Diapasons on one manual (but I don't recall that he actually qualified the statement).

    The largest rank mixture I've ever played was VII and that was on a rather curious affair where you could actually choose the disposition of the individual pipes in the mixture with a special sub-set of smaller stops.

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    Soubasse,

    What land, pray tell, is that which is marked by cultural philistinism? Hey, I live in Hawaii so I have to travel to San Fransicko or *Lost Angels* (L.A.) if I need to need hear good music peformed by a better orchestra. Ya know, it gets somewhat expensive with all that flying even with a *mileage account* but I don't care to move to *Californicated* so I make my own music - transcribe for organ the symphonic music of different composers.

    Regards!

    Giovanni

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    Well it's spelled "Australia" and that's how I actually pronounce it, but it gets me strange looks from the locals because they say they're from "Straya" for some stupid reason.

    Now let's see, this is my 47th post and I think it must be a record. I'm usually well over the 100 mark on other forums before I start Australia bashing. Despite a small number of quality instruments here (not to mention one that was for a little while, the largest in the world until the title of this thread got in the way ), quality players thereof are seriously underused and even more undervalued to which I've already alluded in other posts.

    Anyway, probably not best to get me started. In a nutshell, this country annoys and often depresses me, particularly when it comes to the organ and it's music.

    Matt
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