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    Rachmaninoff is overrated

    I find rachmaninoff's compositions to be kind of one-dimensional; i don't know how to describe it, but i think they lack the depth that one would find in, say, brahms, beethoven, or bach. what do you guys think?

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    Re: Rachmaninoff is overrated

    what kind of depth do you mean?

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    I think hIis melodic writing is very strong and bold, very good at making the hairs stand on the back of your neck or giving a quick glimpse of something larger at work.

    This though in my opinion only lasts for a short period of time.

    At times later in his symphonic works and concerti his orchestral writing becomes weak and almost lacklustre, as if he is filling in the gaps. Often the structure he imposes upon his developmental sections is easy to track from work to work, rythmically I feel he has a template that offers little change across much of his output.

    Bach wins hands down!!!

    Only joking I know it's not a competition.

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    Re: Rachmaninoff is overrated

    I can see why you judge Rachmaninoff as coming up short. I disagree that he is somehow not a giant in music. In some places, his poinency is so simple just like a Brahms and firey manic crashing sounds as one who has lived with severe depression. Let's just call him unique and be glad that he was a composer instead of a factory worker. Oh, V. Horowitz thought his material was worthy of study.

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    I would have to agree with 4fingers. I do think Brahms works have more depth in many cases, but Rachmaninoff's piano concertos are so lush and romantic. Rachmaninoff was instantly appealing to me , the first time I heard his music. Brahms I sometimes had to listen to several times before I felt that same connection.

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    Re: Rachmaninoff is overrated

    Rachmaninoff Rawks

    It's Mozart that's overrated... (ducks... )

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    Re: Rachmaninoff is overrated

    I agree with 4fingers and Grinnin. (Hey, there seems to be a lot of agreement here). While Rachmaninov`s works may lack the complexity of other composer`s works, the sheer emotional effect of his works place him as a worthy composer in my eyes. Isn`t music (often) about creating an emotional reaction in the listener? If so, then Rachmaninov is not overrated.

    I also somewhat agree with KBOC- I think Mozart bacame very popular after the movie Amadeus came out, which is not a bad thing in itself, but perhaps exaggeratedly so, possibly placing him as more significant than other composers. Not to say that he wasn`t a fabulous composer, he certainly was. But I think some people were more interested in his life story than his actual works. Many of his works are absolutely fantastic, but not all, just like other composers. So I guess I find Mozart somewhat overpopularized, as compared to other composers, but not necessarily overrated.

    I hope that made sense.

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    It made sense.

    But Mozart was popular in the U.S. long before the movie. There were tinfoil-hat style books on how playing Mozart to babies made them more intelligent...

    A Little Night Music is the only Mozart piece I find remotely appealing... I never understood his popularity otherwise...

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    Re: Rachmaninoff is overrated

    Hey KBOC,

    I`m no expert, but I still think Mozart had more widespread popularity after the movie.

    Funny, I find A Little Night Music is sort of one of his dorkier works, if I remember correctly. I love his Piano Concerto No. 20, 1st mvt. Rather heavy for Mozart; it`s in a minor key. In all fairness, he composed many, many works, some of which are super!

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    Re: Rachmaninoff is overrated

    I don't find Mozart Offensive (Like I do Sousa)

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    Re: Rachmaninoff is overrated

    I can't deny that there are a lot of defect in Rachmaninov's compositions, but I really like them. You know when I once heard his works I was deeply impressed by them, maybe they're sad but they're really beautiful.
    And I think I like Mozart,as well.They sound beautiful ,too.

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    Hi Ilona,

    What kind of "defects" are you refering to?

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    Re: Rachmaninoff is overrated

    I mean that most of his compositions are pessimistic, it's both his defect and his merit.I think some of his early works are not so mature.
    I like his"variations on a theme of Corelli"and Concerto for piano No.3 and "Variations on a theme of Chopin" etc.

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    Re: Rachmaninoff is overrated

    What bothers me about Rachmaninoff is his lack of contemporary musical imagination and hopeless reliance on composers who lived long before him, but I acknowledge the value of his compositions for what they are. His piano concertos and some of his symphonic music are extremely effective - only is it hard to muster a great deal of respect for a composer who never ventured into even his own time. It would be fair, I think, to label most of his music 'good classical pop'.

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    Re: Rachmaninoff is overrated

    There is Mozart everything in Sarsburg (I think thats how you spell it) you can smell Mozart (brand of perfume) hear Mozart (blaitingly obvious) eat Mozart (brand of chocolate) and buy from Mozart (cafe's there are named after him) They are quite going overboard there I would think, you can like an artist so much that was born in your country but maybe not to the extremity of that.

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