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    Overtones / Timbre

    Hi all,

    I'm looking for some detailed info on how overtones affect the timbre of various classical instruments. For instance, I've read that the distinctive sound of a clarinet is due to the strength of odd-numbered overtones when a note is sounded. If anyone has suggestions on books to read or websites with info, I'd really appreciate it.

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    Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler Corno Dolce's Avatar
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    Hi Oneiros,

    A book entitled *The Physics of Musical Instruments* would be right up your alley.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce

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    Thanks Corno. I tried with some of those books today, and very quickly realised that I don't have the mind for science any more. :P

    Thankfully I found a really cool program which looks like some fun: http://www.sygyt.com/

    This thread can be closed now, if thats how things work around here.

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    Hi Oneiros,

    Yes, that book is very technical in nature. Thanks for sharing about that website in this thread.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oneiros View Post
    This thread can be closed now, if thats how things work around here.
    Oneiros,
    I see no need to do that - no rules are being twisted, besides, this is an interesting thread. Thanks for sharing that website info.
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    Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler Corno Dolce's Avatar
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    Hi Oneiros;

    I wonder if that sofware program will really answer the question you originally posed or if it will be just a distraction in your quest for truth. I mention this just as a very friendly suggestion and as help. Here's to hoping that you will receive some benefit from the downloadable software.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
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    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

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    I appreciate your concern, Corno.

    It's funny you put it that way - it has become something of a quest for truth. I'm actually looking for a new way of creating music, focusing on overtones instead of on fundamental pitches like our classics. Something like overtone singing I guess, though applied to instrumental music. At least that's the idea at the moment - it'll probably change soon enough, as I learn more.

    You may be right though - I'll try and work up the mindset to attack one of those scientific books. The information would surely help somewhere along the way.

    Looks like this thread does have some prospects after all.

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    Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler Corno Dolce's Avatar
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    Hello Oneiros,

    One of my *music coaches* put it to me this way once: *If one really understands music, then one will understand how the world functions.* Those are deep words and caused me to pause for awhile and still do. Thinking along the line of Physics, then there are so very many points of intersection.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

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    A very true statement. I've been reading a book which delves even deeper into that idea - that music is a reflection (kind of like a microcosm) of life. It really opens your mind up to the power of sound, and how much musical meaning we normally miss out on because our theories / ideas about music are so rationalised.

    It's funny - since thinking about this, music theory (which I used to love) now seems so limited in its explanations of sound as such and such. Consequently my grades are dropping fast.

    If you're interested, the book is called The Mysticism of Sound and Music, by Hazrat Inayat Khan. Most of the text is on the net here. But be prepared for some pretty far-out ideas if you have a look.

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    Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler Corno Dolce's Avatar
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    Hi Oneiros,

    Wow - thanx for the link. I just took a peek and found it very interesting. It'll be something for me to digest during my upcoming time-off in December.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce

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