Extra-Terrestrial Life

[Alban Berg]

I have been involved in several UFO investigations through the American/Canadian skeptic organization JREF which I have been a member of for aprox. a decade or so. I do believe there are E.T.'s out there, but I'm not convinced they have made any sort of contact as of yet.

I used to study philosophy of science, and that's why I engaged in the UFO research. Provided we had more than hearsay and at least a few bits of hard evidence to work with tho. Especially one case took my breath away for about 6 months: It was a publication by the Mexican govt., where they claimed to have been taping genuine UFOs through airforce equipment. Well, they were indeed unidentified flying objects, although, after months of research, we could conclude that they were grounded. So it turned into a UGO case (meh).
I talked to the Mexicans, and asked not only for a copy of the full tape, but also the rights to publish it on the internet for all to see. They agreed.

My conclusion became this theorem..



We spent 6 months chasing oilrigs in the Mexican gulf, because as the former chief engineer of FLIR systems inc. (those who made the IR camera in question) told me, then I should take contact to the Danish navy if I wanted to see how to operate the camera used "properly". Oh boy.

That's the most convincing UFO case I have/had ever seen tho, and I'm still not convinced that any sort of contact has been made.

Mexican's UFOs? = a lot of Tequila!

LOL

Martin

[Strunch]

Mexican's UFOs? = a lot of Tequila!

LOL

Martin

It's not unlikely that the pilots in question had a few drops of tequilla no

I had their conversations translated from the tapes since I don't speak spanish, and boy, they had some, uhm, not very elegant conversations going there before the "UFOs" turned up.

[Alban Berg]

It's not unlikely that the pilots in question had a few drops of tequilla no

I had their conversations translated from the tapes since I don't speak spanish, and boy, they had some, uhm, not very elegant conversations going there before the "UFOs" turned up.

I speak Spanish, I could translate it for you...even the gross words...LOL (maybe I will receive a warning from our moderators)

Martin

[JHC]

Tovarich comes from the communist period...

Yes that's when I was studying Russian

Anyhow..About the video, I believe that you always can make a merge of theories...People believing in God (many Americans do) will make the merge...That way they don't seem to be stubborn or outdated

exactly, twist a bit here and a bit there don't let anything get in the way of a good story

The origin of the Big Bang theory it is a world WITHOUT God

I have to disagree at this point e,g where did all the stuff come from that was to be our UV at the time of the BB?? being frivolous "it could have been GOD coughing being serious it could have been A Creater creating. or it could just have been ab accident.

[Contratrombone64]

I believe in aliens - we get boat loads of them arriving on our northern boarders every year ... most of the poor wretches end up in some god awful prison on some godforsaken island north of Australia.

[Alban Berg]

I used this subject with my students today, it was a success to make them speak about their beliefs...how passionate they became...

I was surpised when one of the students said she saw an U.F.O. in the Black sea (rather two) (she, her sister, her daughter and nefew at the same time) three years ago. Wow! I was really impressed.

Martin, feeling an alien more and more...

[Strunch]

I speak Spanish, I could translate it for you...even the gross words...LOL (maybe I will receive a warning from our moderators)

Martin

Then you can understand what they say here at least..

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I already have two transcripts. One from a pilot in Mexico and one from a math prof. in Chile. So don't sweat it. The above photage must be a snippet from the original I published for the Mexicans by the way, because all we had to work with to start with, was some rather poor clips from CNN and a Mexican newsreel.

Here's some further evidence I calculated, suggesting strongly that it was oilrigs..

[Strunch]

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I was surpised when one of the students said she saw an U.F.O. in the Black sea (rather two) (she, her sister, her daughter and nefew at the same time) three years ago. Wow! I was really impressed.

Martin, feeling an alien more and more...

Squidboats, satellites, oilrig lights, ET phone home?

I have seen tons of "UFOs" during night, but they always turned out to be rather mundane when investigated properly. NASA has filmed a few as well, and especially one of them was rather embarrassing, as it turned out to be a wastedump from a spaceshuttle, namely STS-75. Containing things-not-to-be-mentioned here. But yes, it did look like drops of fluid at zero gravity.

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[Alban Berg]

Then you can understand what they say here at least..


I already have two transcripts. One from a pilot in Mexico and one from a math prof. in Chile. So don't sweat it. The above photage must be a snippet from the original I published for the Mexicans by the way, because all we had to work with to start with, was some rather poor clips from CNN and a Mexican newsreel.

Here's some further evidence I calculated, suggesting strongly that it was oilrigs..

That is amazing...They talk for a long time..some important points...

It is 7 (am or pm?) one saw 10 "elements" (they call them elements), then 6, 7 ...finally 11 U.F.O. 11 on their screen! They go very very fast. One leads the others go behind...That's it! Many hesitations here about the number of elements...we can see that the two people talking here are not at the same place but have the same view on their screens.

This video is incredible. Thank you!


Martin, from Earth

[OLDUDE]

Hi guys,
This thread moves so quickly that I never got around to responding to Colin's point of 22nd Mar.
One like myself who believes in an infinite Universe (which by definition means no beginning or end) can only see BB theory as nonsense.
Apart from anything else the view that our astronomers can see the beginning of the universe through their pathetically limited instruments is sad. In my view they make claims that are not supportable and I feel they are probably trying to fullfil religious beliefs of a "Creation".
I believe that there are stars yet to be revealed because at the speed of light they havent shown up yet within the range of telescopes. (Or perhaps they also feel that the speed of light is a variable).
Cheers John

[teddy]

One factor comes back to our understanding of things. Who says there has to be anything beyond the universe. There may be an end to things. This theory is so far beyond any of the physical rules that I understand that I am unable to comprehend it, but it is a possibility

teddy

[JHC]

Hi guys,
This thread moves so quickly that I never got around to responding to Colin's point of 22nd Mar.
One like myself who believes in an infinite Universe (which by definition means no beginning or end) can only see BB theory as nonsense.

You may be right who knows??
I know next to nothing about the Infinite UV theory, my brain finds it impossible to grasp, so the BB seemed the one to follow but I will delve into the Infinite theory.

Apart from anything else the view that our astronomers can see the beginning of the universe through their pathetically limited instruments is sad.

John, They can not go back to the beginning, just a few nano seconds after the BB and they use telescopes both Radio and refraction which actually give pretty good results.

In my view they make claims that are not supportable and I feel they are probably trying to fullfil religious beliefs of a "Creation".

John Scientists simply observe and record, others put their own interpretation on these observations

I believe that there are stars yet to be revealed because at the speed of light they havent shown up yet within the range of telescopes. (Or perhaps they also feel that the speed of light is a variable).

According to Einstein in a vacuum the speed of light is constant but there are those that question this??

Cheers John

[Snow White]

I see video on utube and even big bang can be infinate

[lukas6644]

Yes, I firmly believe that there is extraterrestrial life around, the chances are just to high, with the so many non-solar planets around (and I am not speaking of extraterrestrial music . The only problem, in my opinion, is to find it. The interstellar distances are just huge.