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    Hi Judy,

    Thanx for your concern about the plight of smaller congregations. As one who has been on organ committes, as President of Church Councils, and as Treasurer, I can attest that most often Councils and Congregations are ignorant. There are a few who with proper guidance will start a fund drive for the Organ or include the Organ as a part of a Church Capital Campaign drive, ergo, the Organ is part of the whole church. Any restoration/repairs to the Church Building will also include betterments to the instruments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    Check this link out - the organist performs a transcription of Chopin's C-minor Etude(Revolutionary) - has to be seen to be believed!!! Even Liszt's Mephisto Waltz...And themes from Star Wars...

    http://www.trinitywallstreet.org/cal...event_id=40478

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    . . . As one who has been on organ committes, as President of Church Councils, and as Treasurer, I can attest that most often Councils and Congregations are ignorant. There are a few who with proper guidance will start a fund drive for the Organ or include the Organ as a part of a Church Capital Campaign drive, ergo, the Organ is part of the whole church.
    Corno Dolce ... Right on

    The church I presently serve had raised 90% of the money for the organ in a program called "Cans for Chords." Aluminum cans were housed in an outside cage and recycled (the rates then were close to $1 per pound). The organ committee joked that one of the tallest facade pipes should have had the logo for Adolf Coors painted on it since our pastor (at that time) had Adolf for a first name.

    I've seen other funding methods where people buy a key - say $500 each ... that translates into about $30k per manual. Others have divided the cost of a rank by 61 and ask people to donate a pipe.

    Generating interest, as Corno Dolce has mentioned, is another task we, as musicians, face. Our congregations are rather ignorant when it comes time to update/upgrade the organ - to their ears the organ sounds just fine on Sunday morning, it leads the hymns and liturgies, accompanies the choir, and well, but do mention that the organist could have played a little louder when the brass quintet were playing in church for a recent festival Sunday. Little to they realize that I was at full tutti.

    To the uneducated they think all we have to do is crank up an amplifier volume control to make it louder. Then comes the conversation about amplifying the organ through the church PA system ... Nooo!!! I then firmly put my foot down against that idea for obvious reasons .. . then the issue of no $ comes into the conversation, and the viscous cycle starts all over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krummhorn View Post
    Corno Dolce ... Right on

    I've seen other funding methods where people buy a key - say $500 each ... that translates into about $30k per manual. Others have divided the cost of a rank by 61 and ask people to donate a pipe.
    Hi Krummhorn, those are really creative funding methods, let us know if you're heard of any others.

    I think the most important thing is to differentiate to the general public between the value of a pipe organ as opposed to a silly electric instrument with amplifiers. Like I said on that Atlantic Hall organ thread, most people don't know the timelessness of these instruments. Given the vast number of perfectly functioning organs that are two or even three hundred years old, it is not just a one time investment but a chance to include your name for a timeless cause. For example, if a wealthy philanthropist was to donate a big sum for the complete upgrade/renovation of an organ, and he was to say that the organ must carry a plaque with his name on it, the chances that his name would be associated with the organ even a hundred years after his death is very high. What better way to reach self-actualization? Even if you don't want the public to know you contributed towards such an instrument, I think it can be portrayed as a big and equally heartfelt cause, compared to some of the mindless charity donation bandwagon that everyone seems to be hopping onto these days in order to just feel good about themselves or get tax benefits.

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    Sometimes you do need to raise money for the work on the big musical
    instruments or to by a piano or organ. If you go to a little country church,
    a piano can cost too much for a little church. These big churches like the
    one I belong to now and bigger has to stretch their budget to keep the
    music in tune or replace one of the instruments. I still know where Mr.
    Krummhorn is saying.
    judy tooley

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    Hi Argoth,

    Thank you for the great words of wisdom. I agree with everything except placing a plaque with a name or names on an instrument. It then becomes a "sacred cow" that can never be 'forsaken' should that need arise. I've seen this happen with a piano - "given to the glory of ... ... " by Mr & Mrs Whomever etc., in a special dedication service. The piano that was donated turned out to be a cheap piece of crap, plastics used where wood is normally used in action parts ... under weekly use, several plastic hammers (yes, plastic with what looked like gauze pads glued on them) eventually broke and compatible parts could no longer be found as replacements.

    Besides a complete overhaul, exceeding well over 10 times what the piano was worth, there was little to do except cover it and store it in a corner of the room. There it remained, silent and dusty, and never be played again. Because of the plaque, this 'thing' (Sacred Cow) couldn't even be used for firewood - probably wouldn't have burned anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krummhorn View Post
    Hi Argoth,

    Thank you for the great words of wisdom. I agree with everything except placing a plaque with a name or names on an instrument. It then becomes a "sacred cow" that can never be 'forsaken' should that need arise. I've seen this happen with a piano - "given to the glory of ... ... " by Mr & Mrs Whomever etc., in a special dedication service. The piano that was donated turned out to be a cheap piece of crap, plastics used where wood is normally used in action parts ... under weekly use, several plastic hammers (yes, plastic with what looked like gauze pads glued on them) eventually broke and compatible parts could no longer be found as replacements.

    Besides a complete overhaul, exceeding well over 10 times what the piano was worth, there was little to do except cover it and store it in a corner of the room. There it remained, silent and dusty, and never be played again. Because of the plaque, this 'thing' (Sacred Cow) couldn't even be used for firewood - probably wouldn't have burned anyway.
    Hmm yes I see what you're saying...good point! But still, that aside, philanthropy will have to be the way to go

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    Hi Krummhorn,

    Thanx for your thumbs-up. I am in such total agreement with what you shared about other types of funding - one is only limited by one's imagination.

    Electronically amplifying a pipe organ? Thank God you put your foot down on that scatterbrained idea.

    It is not easy getting funds for enlargement of an existing pipe organ but it can be done through educating the congregation. And that can also be hard - like herding cats!!!!!!!

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce

    btw - viscous(lubrication) cycle? You probably meant vicious cycle
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    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    . . . btw - viscous(lubrication) cycle? You probably meant vicious cycle
    You are so correct, my dear friend ... this is what happens when I post here after spending way too much time editing Q & A's as a Supervisor on a popular wiki site ... the spellings and grammar people use there is aaaaaaaaaatrocious ... !!
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    Hi Krummhorn,

    Far be it from me to be a grammar cop. Sometimes I commit real "doosies" on this forum which could certainly earn me some time *in the stocks*, ambling around in the town square for five days whilst being publicly humiliated.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Nah ... nobody has to serve time bound in chains ... This is the Danish Navy where people are respected ... Offenders just have to provide cake or cookies in the officers lounge. lol Easy sentence and everyone is happy ... and so are the dentists ...
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    Hi Krummhorn,

    Yeah, I hear ya - but the Danish Navy also has a brig.

    So, I'm guilty as charged. Now, having freely confessed my forum foibles, I guess my sentence can be commuted, n'est-ce pas? Lord only knows that I'm not perfect, nor am I an Einstein.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Wow, that is indeed something else. The footwork may put many dancers to shame!
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    I was thinking along the same lines that it is like dancing on the pedals. Also those shoes look like they are Ballet shoes (perhaps even with blocked toes) with a 1 1/2 inch heel plus a more solid shank added for the support of the instep/mid foot area.

    There's a certain grace with which he moves around the pedal board.

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    Can we just stick with the topic? Orgianist? you guys have blown
    this out of left field!
    judy tooley

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