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    For hard-core organists/pianists...

    Check this link out - the organist performs a transcription of Chopin's C-minor Etude(Revolutionary) - has to be seen to be believed!!! Even Liszt's Mephisto Waltz...And themes from Star Wars...

    http://www.trinitywallstreet.org/cal...event_id=40478

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
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    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

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    Indeed - Cameron Carpenter is splendid ... just check out that fancy footwork too!!
    Caught most all his performances at Trinity via the internet ... all truly worth seeing and hearing.

    I've been trying to contact Trinity about getting DVD's of his performances there - Would love to watch this on larger screen with my home audio setup for sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    Check this link out - the organist performs a transcription of Chopin's C-minor Etude(Revolutionary) - has to be seen to be believed!!! Even Liszt's Mephisto Waltz...And themes from Star Wars...

    http://www.trinitywallstreet.org/cal...event_id=40478

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    Yes I watched some of this and he is fascinating. Quite the new Virgil Fox. Turns out he's a student of Paul Jacobs too, it would be fun to see some joint concert with these two one day!

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    Hi Krummhorn,

    RoJo should have to see Cameron's footwork in the Chopin - his pedal technique would put to shame many pianists attempts on the Chopin.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Hi Argoth,

    Cameron studied with Paul Jacobs? I know Paul Jacobs is quite the fabulous and musical organist but I wonder if Cameron hasn't now outshone his mentor at least in the technique department.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Corno Dolce, this organ almost looks like the one I play except the one
    at Trinity is just one manual larger and a few more stops. Just like
    the one I play. It's also just as pretty. I wonder if it is just as much
    fun to play as the one at my church? I have a ball on the Methodist
    church pipe organ. What do you think Krummhorn?
    judy tooley

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corno Dolce View Post
    Hi Argoth,

    Cameron studied with Paul Jacobs? I know Paul Jacobs is quite the fabulous and musical organist but I wonder if Cameron hasn't now outshone his mentor at least in the technique department.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    He most probably has done so. Yes, Cameron studied under Paul Jacobs at Julliard, I found that out through an organ student here at Trinity, since one of Cameron's other teachers at Julliard was Gerre Hancock (also of UT Austin), who is in turn one of the mentors of the head of organ here at Trinity.

    Anyway, I'm really glad that people like Cameron will most probably bring a renewed interest in the instrument among younger people who don't have much interest in such things, much the same way that Virgil Fox did. Most people of my generation who are unaware of the instrument would at least be taken up by such things as speed of playing, and flashiness. Because it's sad when you hear most people think that an organ is one of those little portable keyboards. Of course, Cameron is probably setting himself up for the same kind of criticism as Fox, but who knows how many future greats will be inspired to take up the instrument by seeing this kind of thing. It's just great, I know it would make Virgil Fox smile.

    And just wondering...how on earth does he manage to do that with his feet???
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    Quote Originally Posted by methodistgirl View Post
    Corno Dolce, this organ almost looks like the one I play except the one
    at Trinity is just one manual larger and a few more stops. Just like
    the one I play. It's also just as pretty. I wonder if it is just as much
    fun to play as the one at my church? I have a ball on the Methodist
    church pipe organ. What do you think Krummhorn?
    judy tooley
    Judy,

    Here are the specs for the Trinity Organ. A mighty impressive stop list - 240 voices (ranks). Would it be fun to play? Certainly - they would have to tear me away from it while I was kicking and screaming for more time ... lol
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    Hi Argoth,

    How Cameron manages to do that with his feet? Well, I'm reminded of what an old man said to a young boy when asked how one gets to Carnegie Hall - the old man said: *Practice, Practice, Practice*. Cameron has surely practised his patootie off.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    I agree with the heavy practice theory, but also know that there is a huge difference in pedalboards amongst builders. My Möller pedalboard is VERY clunky and slow compared to a Reuter I had played a few years ago. The Allens I have played over the years are also much quicker than my Möller.

    Now, this is not to say that I can't do fast pedaling on the Möller - I've performed Mendelsohn Sonata I on this organ several times, but it took lots of practice to overcome the slower action.

    Also, look at the bench height that Mr. Carpenter uses, and how he positions himself so far forward - great technique that does take lots of practice. I would like to know where he gets those shoes ... certainly Organmaster doesn't carry these. There are other organ shoe manufacturers one would think - or are the ones he uses custom made?
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    Hi Krummhorn,

    Oh dear - a clunky and slow pedalboard - might that not be rectifiable by a competent organbuilder? I have found that concave and radiating pedalboards make it easier to perform quicker pedalling, for me at least.

    Yeah, those shoes look like a custom job alright.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Hi Corno Dolce,

    Yes, the pedalboard issue could be solved - problem is no $$ available. The parish views this instrument as a 'service organ', a task which it excells at ... I've pushed the envelope by doing pieces like Mendelssohn's 1st and Franck's Chorale #3 to illustrate that it can do more than just play hymns and liturgies. At least the church does fund Quimby Pipe Organs to perform the twice annual tunings along with minor repairs.

    Eventually, I would at least like to have the console rebuilt - I may have to fund this project myself (tax write off ya know) - replace the pedalboard, rebuild the stop action and add "real" pistons with multiple memory levels. Maybe add a couple digital voices for solo and/or beefing up the bottom end.
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    I'm not kidding! Krummhorn that organ looks like the wicks organ I play
    at my own church with a manual difference. The one I play only has
    two manuals and 24 ranks. I do have a ball playing the organ at church.
    Only thing it is just practice only. The one in the picture has three and
    240 ranks. Now I'm getting where I wished our little pipe organ could
    only grow about a hundred more ranks. Some sounds the organ needs
    for the songs I play. I would probably love playing the trinity organ.
    It's beautiful to even just look at.
    judy tooley

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    Hello Krummhorn,

    Its really not fair that you have to foot the bill for repair/upgrade because of congregational ignorance. But, if you're creative enough to do a project which will enable you to use it as a tax write-off - Go for it dear sir. Maybe, the congregational ignorance will cease and desist when they hear the patently obvious difference between what they have now and after an upgrade - it could be a learning experience like none other for them. Considering that there are fully satisfactory tonal additions from Artisan Organs at a very reasonable price to the Walker Technical Company solutions which command a prettier penny but will give you the most bang for the buck, the possibilities are *infinitely endless*.

    Cheers,

    Corno Dolce
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Corno, sometimes you can't help it in some churches. There are some
    churches that can be low on funds and it needs outside help when the
    piano or organ needs maintaince. Maybe Krummhorn's church can't
    help it. I know of a little church I used to go to that needed the piano
    tuned and the piano player had to to it himself.
    judy tooley

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