Criminal Punishment - Your Thoughts

[rojo]

I consider a lot of the media itself to be some of the biggest criminals these days. Constantly putting out inaccurate information that appeals to the lowest common denominator of society (persecution of religion, 'miralcle' low-fat diets, safe sex before marriage), and subliminal messaging (always putting the most attractive people they can find on TV ads to make people buy products etc.), both of which can psychologically upset people a lot.
Again, money is the driving factor.

Hi Montefalco,

I would lump media directly into the corporate / big business world. Can't say as I know what you're referring to regarding 'persecution of religion' and 'safe sex before marriage', but I have seen reputable publications state untruths. I'm hoping that the freedom of the internet will allow a more broad (and honest) view of what actually goes on in the world. Whenever I'm looking for information on a topic, I'll consult several sources, check the reputation / trustworthiness of each, and come to a conclusion based on all versions presented. The more sources the better. When I have the time to do so, of course.

Not easy to avoid medialoid.

I wonder if I should include organized crime / drug trafficking as being big business as well. It certainly involves a lot of money, hence the greed factor being at the root of it. The drug issue is truly a frightening one.

Rojo, what you have said is generally true but I am not sure if this forum allows in depth debates on non music subjects so could I just make a couple or so comments:
Violence can be mental not just physical ask any man that has been in a marriage with a verbal bullying wife “I must add not me I am very happy” but I do know two men that have been in this situation.
Corporal punishment and violence have now become the same thing, this is wrong, they are not.
A picture is worth a thousand words and so is a swift kick up the backside in the right circumstances.
Crime is not decreasing every where, Africa for example and NZ
This is of course IMHO

Hi J.H.C.,

I don't know if you have read any of this thread (it is rather long,) but this part of the forum (Open Debate) does indeed allow in depth (and not so in depth) debate on non-music related topics.

I agree, verbal abuse is a type of violence.

I feel that violence is violence is violence. No matter how one tries to justify it.

Locking up criminals away from free society goes pretty much without saying, I guess. They should indeed pay for their crimes by having their freedom taken away. In addition, I would like to see much longer sentences for repeat offenders, perhaps by doubling the standard sentence for a second conviction, and / or tripling it for a third conviction. Something to that effect.

[teddy]

Like the idea of extending sentences for repeat offenders Robin. The paper today carries a story of a young man who has just run over and killed a young woman while stealing her car. it was shown to be a deliberate act. He was out of prison on licence while doing it and he had over 50, yes 50 convictions for various crimes in the past. he and his brother waged a two man crime spree over the last 10 years. We need protecting from people like this. what the hell was he doing on the street.

teddy

[Dorsetmike]

I would like to see much longer sentences for repeat offenders, perhaps by doubling the standard sentence for a second conviction, and / or tripling it for a third conviction. Something to that effect.

Or second offence double, third throw away the key. It's obvious they don't intend to reform so off to a self supporting penal colony in the middle of nowhere as suggested in an earlier post.

[teddy]

Yes Mike. What werer the French penal island mentioned in Papillon whcich were graded in severity of punishment?

teddy

[JHC]

Hi Montefalco,




Hi J.H.C.,

I don't know if you have read any of this thread (it is rather long,) but this part of the forum (Open Debate) does indeed allow in depth (and not so in depth) debate on non-music related topics.

I agree, verbal abuse is a type of violence.

I feel that violence is violence is violence. No matter how one tries to justify it.

Locking up criminals away from free society goes pretty much without saying, I guess. They should indeed pay for their crimes by having their freedom taken away. In addition, I would like to see much longer sentences for repeat offenders, perhaps by doubling the standard sentence for a second conviction, and / or tripling it for a third conviction. Something to that effect.

Greetings the fair rojo, I must have come in about half way through the thread but have a reasonable grasp of the contents, it seems 95% are in agreement on most things, sometimes it is the definitions that could be questioned all I can assume is that it is too difficult for the politicians to fix or they lack the fortitude to do so.

[Montefalco]

Can't say as I know what you're referring to regarding 'persecution of religion' and 'safe sex before marriage', but I have seen reputable publications state untruths. I'm hoping that the freedom of the internet will allow a more broad (and honest) view of what actually goes on in the world. Whenever I'm looking for information on a topic, I'll consult several sources, check the reputation / trustworthiness of each, and come to a conclusion based on all versions presented. The more sources the better. When I have the time to do so, of course.

Not easy to avoid medialoid.

I wonder if I should include organized crime / drug trafficking as being big business as well. It certainly involves a lot of money, hence the greed factor being at the root of it. The drug issue is truly a frightening one.

Hi RoJo,
By safe sex before marriage, I don't mean in the news as such, more how its represented in movies, TV shows and books. The message such things send across is 'If it feels good, do it'. They may not even be aware of it, but people see these things and are influenced by them. They go around, thinking that they can get away with a lot of things without lasting consequences, and unaware that relationships like that can have a bad effect of their self-esteem, not to mention they might catch any number of STD's.
This is a worst case scenario, but I know someone who went from a friendly, independent person to completey dependent on his partner within the space of a few weeks, and he was only 14 or 15. I doubt such a thing would have happened if he didn't see things like that happening in movies.

I haven't seen a lot of persecution of religion in the media, but I do come across it on a small scale just in everday life, and I can only imagine it sprang from the media originally (maybe comedy TV shows which have run out of other subject matter to make fun of.)

[teddy]

There is no doubt that the majority of persecution in this country is against Christians for standing up for what they believe in. It is quite common and mainly stems from the wave of policcal correctness which we are drowning in. This includes prosecutions by the police where there has been no complaint from a member of the public or any other organsation. Thought crime is with us over here. If some believes that you are being malicious, whether it was intended or not, you can be prosuecuted. 1984 or what?

teddy

[JHC]

PC and all this stuff perhaps it is from, and spread by the UN,

[Montefalco]

Another possible contributing factor to persecutions of various kinds is paranoia. When private organisations (eg the church) have as much influence and resources as they do in some countries, people can by this power in their day to day lives, and so they decide to minimise the influence on their lives. I haven't actually come across this before, but I'm sure it's what some people think.

[teddy]

Allways rember, just because you are paranoid it does not mean that they are not after you.

teddy