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Roland c-190 or Viscount Cantorum VI

dmfuller

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Cantorum VI For Sale

I'm looking to sell my Cantorum VI........

It is for sale in the Antique Shop I run in Petersburg, VA.

The Oak Antique Mall
400 N. Sycamore Street
Petersburg, VA 23803

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I've had it about 2 years....I'm asking $1,500.00 US for it and accessories.

The Oak accepts Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express.

I'd prefer pick-up by buyer, but will help if buyer arranges pick-up & delivery. Buyer responsible for all shipping and handling charges.
 
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criptlyon

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Hello dmfuller,

Even if I'm not going to buy your Cantorum VI as I already have mine, may I ask you if you have some "special" informations about this organ?
As for example: if you were satisfied with it, if some technical problems had appeared along its short life (2 years), if you ever contacted Viscount for whatever reason, what do you think about its stops, its features, etc..?

In fact, I would appreciate any feedback (bad or good) you have about the Cantorum VI :grin:

Thank you!
 

criptlyon

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OOpps, sorry, I did not remember your old posts about the Roland and the Cantorum in this thread... :eek:

Please don't take into account my previous post.
 

dmfuller

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Samples on the C190 vs. cantorum....

Sorry for the delay! Samples are great on both--it all depends on the reverb settings--even a pipe organ in a dry room sounds terrible!!!

For the c190 I have it set to gothic church reverb to the max setting--it gives you that lingering of overtones so often left out of digital instruments. (This really makes the Trumpett sound great on here--in fact with the reverb it sounds like the Skinner trumpet I have at 'my' church!)

For the viscount--again--maximize the reverb--it makes all the difference in the world.

The roland is by far more american sounding, and the viscount more european sounding.

If you have to pick only one--

If you need a versitile PORTABLE insturment--pick the Roland--I use this for everything from weddings to christmas & birthday parties, at the old folks home and everything in between. This case is made of plastic--very sturdy and light weight.

If you want a soley classic digital organ--that is too heavy to be considered portable--most of the case is made of MDF--basically sawdust held together with glue--very very very heavy......

In fact sometimes I regret buying the viscount--as it is nearly $1,000.00 more here in the US than the roland, plus it is so heavy and cumbersome to move, i've had it stored in a cupboard for nearly a year. However it has awesome sound--I recorded some songs on it--a bunch of my "pipes only" buddies couldn't tell--and the few tracks I recorded on a pipe organ were deemed to be the digital ones!!! Ha!!!
 

criptlyon

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Hello!

Well, when you say:

However it has awesome sound--I recorded some songs on it--a bunch of my "pipes only" buddies couldn't tell--and the few tracks I recorded on a pipe organ were deemed to be the digital ones!!! Ha!!!
it is exactly why I chose the Viscount! :D
Please note also its "tracker touch" and simili ivory keyboard which is very well done.
 

John Sayer

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CantorumVI V Roland C130

I evaluated both instruments. The Roland's 76 keys are a waste of time, neither piano nor organ. The plastic key touch is also rather unpleasant.

The Viscount has a much more satisfying key touch, though slightly fewer voices and no Man I - Man II coupler. The 4 Baroque/Romantic/ Symphonic sound libraries offer some very attractive, authentic sounding stops. The 'split' function takes a bit of setting up but can be useful for chorale plreludes etc. You need a few moments between pieces, however.

Overall, i'm very pleased.

JS
 

ericbrad

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Well here we are, 4 years further on and I still have not bought an organ, still putting up with my Korg SP 250. My question now is about the Roland C-200 and C-230, are they much better than the C-190? And do you still think the Cantorum VI is the best of the three?
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

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)))))) hi ericbrad, 4 years it is !

Well, in 2013, for a portable pipe organ setup I'm using :

win8 laptop with i7, 16GB ram, GrandOrgue software v0.3.1340 x64, M-Audio Axiom pro USB keyboard 49 keys and Roland PK-5a pedalboard.

No need today to go for a digital organ. Axiom pro has great touch. The sound from i7/Grandorgue is top HQ leave's Roland and and all digital hardware stuff obsolate.

If you need a bigger organ for home, again use as main engine the computer and built a custom console controller. There are many out there to choose.
 

ericbrad

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I am trying to go down the GrandOrgue route but so far havn`t got it to work. Installing it seems very complicated. I have a MIDI interface unit and have connected my Korg SP250 keyboard to my computer (W7 64bit). I did try the Miditzer organ software and actually got it to work, but only the bottom section of my keyboard made any sounds.
 

e9925248

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I am trying to go down the GrandOrgue route but so far havn`t got it to work. Installing it seems very complicated. I have a MIDI interface unit and have connected my Korg SP250 keyboard to my computer (W7 64bit).

I suggest you to watch a few GO tutorial:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMqMMhJTgrU31B7MzC_X2GA
especially http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoF1DxtoS3g

PS: In my option, you have assigned a manual to the pedal.
In GO, this is fixed by just right click on the events and using listen for events.
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Hi ericbrad

P250 is a beautiful keyboard though as it has 88 pianotype keys will be harder to play pipe organ literature.....
In fact I did some xperiments with my older Korg SG1D 88 and a single sustain pedal, using EMU x-midi simple Midi/usb cable to my similar win7 x64 T4400 dual core laptop.

Hehe, it is possible to get superb sound and some good functions to help in a live situation.

After you study these tutorial videos and do your homework (needed !!) then you can :

Set SP250 to transmit to midi channel 2 (usually default for the great manual or hauptwerk or grand orgue ect)
I'm assuming you'll use at first a simpler 2m/p sample set like Vendaam, or indeed the superb Demo organ which comes native with the program !!!!.
In GrandOrgue also set the great manual to receive in ch2,
swell/positiv in ch 1
Pedal in ch 3

Then, use the positif to great coupler to add stops to the great as will be the sole manual available there. Or you can have it always on and get all Grt and Sw stops as one division.
Now the pedal. Use your sustain pedal to engage disengage the Pedal to Great coupler found in extra couplers permantly in use as native functions in GO software.
Assign your sustain pedal (right click, wait for event ect) to use it as on / off, so you'll get great bass for your left hand when needed. Also you can use the monophonic version ie only the lowest notes will sound with pedal ranks/stops.

Here this setup works very well indeed and you can also use your extra keys from your Korg as physical stops (right click on stop, press the appropriate/as your taste key on Korg then set toggle, so the virtual stop will stay on until deactivated from a second press of the key)
You can assign also general pistons to your extra keys. And you can get a kinda real organ image, if you assing the virtual stops as are in the sample set, left and right.
I mean, since the lowest note on the majority of organs have C1-036 and top on treble from C5-84 or D5-86 or E5-88 or F5, G5 up to C6-96, you're left with no more than 28 stops control (in a 61 keys manual), 13 on the right and 15 on the left ;-)

There are real positive/continuo organs that indeed they use the real keys for stop levers ! like the Purcell Major, which it comes with one manual 61 keys, but its compass is up to F5-89, then G5, A5, B5 and C6 are 4 stop "levers" for engaging/disengaging 8', 4', 2'2/3 and 2' respectively. Then it has more : The F#, G# and A# are tuning switches (415, 440, 468) Cooool, so we can model such a setup with just a 61 keyboard, imagine now with your 88 !!

The easiest way to get a top sound with no latency is to use Asio4all (free), do not forget this. Midiger is not using Asio at all.... only Directsound and native windows driver.

But to get to this point you really must do your homework on how to use grandorgue software to 100%

Have real fun !
best
Panos
 

e9925248

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Why not also use the voice normal voice selections for some things too? GO has been able to recognize the "extended" program change messages for more than 127 voices for a long time - they will probably not fit for stops, but maybe for divisionals, generals, ...
GO 1382+ will support that for organ matching too, so that you can use that for sampleset switching too.
 
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