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    1/16 Tone Piano...

    Just stumbled onto this:

    http://www.sauter-pianos.de/english/...microtone.html

    I am very intrigued by a 97-note piano that covers the span of an octave. However, it must be a bear to tune.

    Maybe our dear colleague Some Guy might have a word to share about this - what say you dear sir?
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    Oh my... Well, I heard of Alois Haba and his quarter-tone piano (and few other instruments, i.e. trumpet, clarinet, harmonium). But this something new. Has anyone tried to play Beethoven on this instrument yet?

    Thanks for sharing, CD
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    Hi Mat,

    Beethoven on that piano? Hmmm, imagine McCoy Tyner and his ninth, eleventh, and thirteenth chords on this...Frankly, methinks that Beethoven or Jazz would sound like the tonal language of Ligeti or his student Sven-David Sandström.

    Cheers,

    CD
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    That's a nice looking piano too! I like uprights better than a grand any
    day because I grew up with that kind.
    judy tooley

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    Hey Corno, microtonality is good fun, to be sure. I guess I've been more interested in less regular stuff recently, like Ross Bolleter's stuff for ruined pianos. There's a lot of microintervals with that, but nothing regular.

    Otherwise, I'm only familiar with LaMonte Young's Well Tuned Piano piece, which is an attempt (and not the only one) to get back to pre-well-tempered days, when everyone was in tune all the time, as it were. (The post-Bach piano is always just slightly out of tune, all the time.)

    So I guess I'm saying I have nothing to say about Sauter's pianos except, "Cool, Corno. Thanks for finding this."

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    Hey Some Guy,

    That was a fair answer. I don't even know how I stumbled onto the article about a 97 note octave. Although, on the other hand I did do a search on 97-note electronic keyboards and started to peruse the results...yes, thats how I found it. Apparently Sauter will build one for you at a certain price. Hmmm, I wonder if the lowest note is middle C and the top note is the octave above middle C? Maybe I'll pay a visit to the factory in Germany next year.

    Thanx for your your input Some Guy.

    Cheers,

    CD
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    I can't even imagine why you'd not use a digital piano ... surely then it'd never need to be tuned? And yes, would be a total bear to tune, I quite agree Sweet Corn.

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    Ye Gods and little fishes! What an extraordinary "variation" - I wonder what the cost is like? Furthermore, how many educational institutions would purchase one knowing that the repertoire for it would be severely limited in both availability and audience ... experimental use only perhaps?

    That said, one of the first things I did when I procured a sampler keyboard many years ago was create my own microtonal tuning table. I did the same again recently with Korg Triton. It's then a fascinating exercise to play those dear old familiar chord shapes and hear something completely off the planet!

    The idea of 1/16th does intrigue me - a chromatic run would I suspect, sound rather close to white noise
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    A chromatic scale would sound like someone slowly pulling their stockings up?

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    Music is made to transform the states of the soul, for an hour or an instant (J. Alain)

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    Hmmm, like the *piano stockings* I gave to my Lady on Valentines day:

    http://bp1.blogger.com/_cloF95EY5K4/...Piano-Legs.jpg
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    HOLD ME BACK!! The possibilities are endless!!

    But I'll start with "So what was the first piece you played on them?!"
    Music is made to transform the states of the soul, for an hour or an instant (J. Alain)

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    Being the incurable Rachmaninovian romantic that I am, I began with this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j6VO...eature=related
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    What happened when you hit the low bass notes? Did you get to finish it? (the Rach I mean)
    Music is made to transform the states of the soul, for an hour or an instant (J. Alain)

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    I got to finish it alright
    Then began the love song of all love songs:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbZYzoidkYU

    and:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrKdP...eature=related
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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