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    large organ in Licheń

    I found a clip on youtube of the organ at the Sanctuary of Our Lady of Lichen in Licheniu, Poland.

    I tried to google it in hopes of finding a stoplist. Does anybody have any leads on one?
    Last edited by Mat; Jan-22-2013 at 15:08.

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    Hi smilingvox,

    Welcome to the forum.

    Here's the stoplist:


    Manuał I
    1. Pryncypał 16'
    2. Bourdon 16'
    3. Pryncypał 8'
    4. Flet harmon. 8'
    5. Gamba 8'
    6. Copula 8'
    7. Dolce 8'
    8. Kwinta 5 1/3'
    9. Tercja 3 1/5'
    10. Pryncypał 4'
    11. Flet 4'
    12. Salicet 4'
    13. Kwinta 2 2/3'
    14. Doublette 2'
    15. Gr. Fourniture 4x
    16. Gr. Cymbel 5x
    17. Mixtura 6x
    18. Cymbel 19. Bombard 16'
    20. Fagot 16'
    21. Trompet 8'
    22. Obój 8'
    23. Clairon 4'
    I/II
    I/III
    I/IV

    Manuał II
    1. Violon 16'
    2. Flet harm. 8'
    3. Diapason 8'
    4. Salicionał 8'
    5. Flet 4'
    6. Pryncypał 4'
    7. Viola 4'
    8. Kwinta 2 2/3'
    9. Picollo 2'
    10. Sesquialtera 3x
    11. Plein jeu 5x
    12. Scharf 3x 13. Dulcjan 16'
    14. Jannhorn 8'
    15. Cromorne 8'
    16. Klarinette 8'
    II/III
    II/IV

    Manuał III
    1. Gedeckt 16'
    2. Pryncypał 8'
    3. Rurflet 8'
    4. Flute trav. 8'
    5. Gamba 8'
    6. Voix Celeste 8'
    7. Oktawa 4'
    8. Viola 4'
    9. Flute trav. 4'
    10. Nasard 2 2/3'
    11. Doublette 2'
    12. Fourniture 4-5x
    13. Cornet 5x 14. Basson 16'
    15. Trompet 8'
    16. Vox humana 8'
    17. Obój 8'
    18. Clairon harm. 4'
    III/IV


    Manuał IV
    1. Flauto major 8'
    2. Gamba 8'
    3. Keraulophon 8'
    4. Cornet 5x 5. Tuba Mirabilis 8'

    Pedał
    1. Subkontrabas 32'
    2. Pryncypał 16'
    3. Violonbas 16'
    4. Subbas 16'
    5. Kwintbas 10 2/3'
    6. Fletbas 8'
    7. Flet 8'
    8. Oktawbas 8'
    9. Cello 8'
    10. Chorałbas 4'
    11. Okaryna 2'
    12. Sequialtera 3x
    13. Hintersatz 5x
    14. Mixtura 4x 15. K .Bombard 32'
    16. Bombard 16'
    17. Quitetrompet 10 2/3'
    18. Trompet 8'
    19. Clairon 4'
    P/I
    P/II
    P/III
    P/IV


    And change the thread title to "Large organ in Licheń" (not Licheniu).
    Last edited by Mat; Nov-04-2008 at 23:19.
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    Thanks, mat, and that was a quick response. The acoustics are AWESOME!
    Do you know the builder's name?

    I would edit the thread name, but can't. I can only edit what's in the message.

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    You're welcome.

    The organ was built by the ZYCH Company in 2004.
    Dyspozycja: Andrzej Chorosiński
    Projekt architektoniczny: Dariusz Zych
    http://www.zych.com/index.php
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    Bravo, Mat

    Thanks for the research on this request ...
    Curious though about the Keraulophon 8' on the Manual IV list. From my online sources I notice the pipe has a hole in the top ... wondering what this sounds like.
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    Aloha GrandMaster Krummhorn,

    The Keraulophone 8 is classified as a string stop - the hole near the top of the pipes does impart some *interesting qualities*. When put together in a combination with the Montre 8, Diapason 8, Principal 8, Flute Harmonique 8, Bourdon 8, and Violoncelle 8 a very magical sound billows forth - as C.B. Fisk put it *a whining cantabile* - In my ear the sound is as rich as a triple chocolate fudge Krispy Kreme Donut with a caramel fudge filling - an amber glowing horn/violone warmth. Of course, the voicer at ZYCH as opposed to CC probably had something else in mind with the stop.

    Cheerio,

    CD

    Here's the *Choir Organ* stoplist that got inadvertently left out:

    Hauptwerk:
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    Pryncypal 16
    Pryncypal 8
    Flet Otwarty 8
    Flet Kryty 8
    Gemshorn 8
    Gamba 8
    Oktava 4
    Viola 4
    Szpidflet 4
    Kwinta 2
    Superoktawa 2
    Flazolet 1
    Kornet V
    Mixtura V
    Mixtura IV
    Trompet 16
    Trompet 8
    Trompet 4
    Dzwony Rurowe

    Schwellwerk:
    ---------------

    Kwintadena 16
    Pryncypal 8
    Rurflet 8
    Salicet 8
    Prestent 4
    Traversflet 4
    Gemshorn 4
    Nasard 2-2/3
    Oktawa 2
    Picollo 2
    Tercja 1-3/5
    Kwinta 1-1/3
    Nona 8/9
    Szarf V
    Dulcjan 16
    Krummhorn 8
    Klarnet 8
    Dzwony Rurowe

    Pedal:
    -------

    Bourdon 32
    Pryncypal 16
    Subbass 16
    Violonbass 16
    Oktawbas 8
    Fletbas 8
    Cello 8
    Choral 4
    Flet Kryty 4
    Sesquialtera II
    Mixtura IV
    Bombard 16
    Fagot 16
    Trompet 8
    Clairon 4
    Dzwony Rurowe
    Last edited by Corno Dolce; Nov-05-2008 at 02:55.
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    I was on youtube earlier and watched a clip where the guy was slowly turning 360 degrees with the camera, showing the whole basilica. I believe I saw more than two organs.

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    It's interesting the different spelling 'twists' different languages can put on stop names - and yet they're still recognizable. Does anyone know what Russians (Cyrillic) do with such names? It could really throw a westerner for a loop to sit down to a Russian console and suddenly not recognize the stop names. Or are the names so universal that even the Russkies follow them?

    Keraulophone seems to be a rather rare stop. St. Sulpice has one, but how many others? At one time the Mormon Tabernacle organ had a stop named "Melos Anthrophone". Does anybody know what that was?

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    Aloha dll927,

    Melos means rhythm, movement, and sound of words.

    Anthro means *man*

    Phone, from Greek, means *a sound far-off*

    Lets boil it all down through German and we get *Menschenstimme* which means *man's voices* + *far-off*

    Then to French and we get Voix Humaine meaning human voice + far-off

    So, in the end we get *Human Voice Echo*

    The Russian Orthodox Church forbids the use of music instruments in Churches since it distracts and calls attention unto itself - The human voice in a choir provides the music. So, the Russians don't have such a history of the pipe organ as Western European Countries. Of course, there are some organs by Cavaille-Coll, Rieger-Kloss, Walcker, Klais, and some others. Through Cavaille-Coll the Russians got used to the use of French nomenclature. Through the other builders they got to know German nomenclature.

    Cheers,

    CD
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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    Now, how can an organ possibly be accused of calling attention to itself??? True, it may be shaking the place and taxing peoples' auditory capacity, to say nothing of all those big pipes standing up there, but it's still an inanimate object. It's that dork sitting on the bench calling attention. (Just thought I'd get that in!!)

    The description sounds like "Melos Anthrophone" would be similar to a vox humana. I don't think the stop is there any more, but it's in an older brochure I have about the organ.

    It's interesting the different interpretations different religions can put on things. I had some relatives who were Mennonite, and they supposedly don't do much with music, either. So what happened to "Praise Him with trumpets and organs"? Maybe they had something different in mind, before modern sound barrier blasters.

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    Aloha dll927,

    As a convert to the Russian Orthodox Church I have accepted their tradition(2000 year old tradition) and view about musical instruments in Church. For the Russian Church, the organ takes away from the importance of the Divine Liturgy. Of course, as a former Lutheran organist I've had a very hard time accepting this, but there are Theological reasons why I converted. I will not get into a discussion what those reasons are on this forum nor discuss them in PM's - sorry, but thats my personal policy.

    Cheers,

    CD
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

    "Improvisational Art": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxVO3EoCRM

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