Music by Little Known Classical Composers

[Corno Dolce]

Aloha some guy,

I could have listed more, especially of Klaus Huber, but since I had been listening to those specific pieces quite recently, I felt it enough what I had listed.

Cheerio,

CD

[rojo]

Robert, you are probably aware that "little known" will eventually (as in right now, in this post!) raise the question, "little known to whom?"

So I'm asking, to whom are Sullivan, Scarlatti, Cimarosa, Berwald, Stenhammer, and Tallis "little known"?

Otherwise, I'd suppose that most music of the past hundred years or so is little known to most people who call themselves classical listeners.

If anyone here, for instance, knows the music of any of these very prominent composers, I would be very surprised and vastly pleased:

Ashley
Bruemmer
Childs
Dumizio
eRikm
Ferrari
Gobeil
Huber
Karkowski
Lachenmann
Mumma
Normandeau
Ostertag
Paik
Rowe
Smalley
Tone
Uitti
Yoshihide
Zanesi

I'm sorry, I can't help but ask; is there a reason you chose one composer per letter of the alphabet, and where are the composers whose names start with I, J, Q, V, W and X?

[some guy]

It sort of just happened. And when I got to each of the blank letters, I couldn't think of anyone who fit the prominent but not well-known category I'd set up. Or not anyone without doing research. This is pretty much a top of my head kind of list.

I guess I'm saying that these are people who are important enough to be generally well-known (and not just to aficionados) but they're probably not. For the blank letters, there could be Ichiyanagi, Jentzch, Quellet, Verrando, Werner, and Xolotl, but I think none of those people are important enough to be generally known. (I have music by all of them but Xolotl, and like them very much, by the way. Xolotl worked with a lot of prominent people, including Terry Riley, Tony Conrad, and LaMonte Young.)

Nothing would please me more than to hear that all of these people were known to the members of this forum. I'm already happy that Art Rock and Corno have weighed in. Anyway, the most important point is that it's not too late to get to know them, eh?

[Corno Dolce]

Aloha some guy,

May God bless you richly for you indefatigable promotion of music outside the mainstream of consciousness.

Cheerio,

CD

[Robert Newman]

8/12

G.B. Viotti (1755-1824)
Violin Concerto No. 23 (c. 1793)
1st Movement
Soloist - Franco Mezzena
CD Dynamic Italy

Great Italian virtuoso violinist and composer.

http://www.mediafire.com/?5iw2d4zkdnn

[rojo]

It sort of just happened. And when I got to each of the blank letters, I couldn't think of anyone who fit the prominent but not well-known category I'd set up. Or not anyone without doing research. This is pretty much a top of my head kind of list.

I guess I'm saying that these are people who are important enough to be generally well-known (and not just to aficionados) but they're probably not. For the blank letters, there could be Ichiyanagi, Jentzch, Quellet, Verrando, Werner, and Xolotl, but I think none of those people are important enough to be generally known. (I have music by all of them but Xolotl, and like them very much, by the way. Xolotl worked with a lot of prominent people, including Terry Riley, Tony Conrad, and LaMonte Young.)

Nothing would please me more than to hear that all of these people were known to the members of this forum. I'm already happy that Art Rock and Corno have weighed in. Anyway, the most important point is that it's not too late to get to know them, eh?

Well, that's pretty cool that the top of your head works alphabetically then. At least, list-making-wise.

I have heard some works by some of these composers (perhaps mostly thanks to you, some guy,) but I don't think I've heard enough of any of their music to be able to say I "know" it. My main problems are 1. don't have the $, and 2. haven't been listening to much of anything (except what I play) these days for lack of time. Hope to get back into listening soon.

Can I suggest that Frederic Rzewski be added to the list?

[some guy]

Well, that list has little credibility as anything but a small sampling of good people out there. Rzewski belongs on any list of good people out there, though, I agree!!

[rojo]

Now don't go selling your list short; personally I have no doubt that all your lists are chock-full of credibility.

And yay! I got the Rzewski approval!

[Robert Newman]

Ah, yes, Someguy and Rojo, you are surely refering to Frederic (Anthony) Rzewski (b.1938) Jesuit educated composer from Harvard and Princeton Universities (based for years in Rome) of such musical hits as 'The People United Will Never Be Defeated' ? (Wasn't that a hit for the revolution in Chile years before Rzewski was associated with it, during the days of so-called 'Liberation Theology' - banned by the papacy ?). Isn't it based on a Chilean song 'El pueblo unido jamas sera vencido' by S. Ortega and Quilapayun ? Rzewski's version received its world premiere in 1976 at the J.F Kennedy Centre of the Performing Arts, didn't it ? At least, so says Wikipedia.

We should tell readers this same work by Rzewski contains allusions to other leftist struggles of the same and immediately preceding time. It quotes for example from the Italian socialist song 'Bandiera Rossa' and the 'Solidarity Song' by Bertold Brecht/Hanns Eilser, doesn't it ?

Which sort of reminds me that the world's great dictators included Jesuit educated Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, and others.

The Jesuit Order, having already infested the governments and institutions of many nations such as the USA and the UK (all the time speaking vaguely about a 'New World Order') now have their own composers to stir up the masses. These Jesuits play it from both sides, as usual. I hope the American people peacefully reject mass movements by voting for their own Constitution to be fully restored and not for anything else.

You see how Rzewski is not on my list of great composers !

With respect

Robert

[Corno Dolce]

Aloha Mr. Newman,

May I respectfully share with you that Josef Stalin had spent two years studying at a Russian Orthodox Seminary to become a priest? His mother had always wanted him to be a priest - his father? Well, an absentee one at best who physically abused both Josef and his mother. Josef had a tragic childhood that never got any help to come to terms with the hurt. That hurt manifested itself in the cruel, heartless, criminally insane psychopathic tyranny that Josef visited on Russians and others.

One of the latest insults to Christians and Russians everywhere was a priest who had written an icon with Stalin: http://frmilovan.files.wordpress.com.../svstaljin.jpg

The Metropolitanate of St. Petersburg castigated the priest for presenting such blasphemy. The priest then resigned from the priesthood and took the icon back to his home.

[Robert Newman]

C.D.,

Really appreciate this brief exchange on such a subject, even here.

According to a great deal of evidence it was Georgetown Jesuit priest, Edmund A. Walsh, who handpicked and placed Joseph Stalin into power -

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:aijt1NhjIrAJ:www.arcticbeacon.com/greg/%3Fp%3D191+stalin+jesuit+educated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd =2&gl=uk

The Jesuit connection to Marx, Stalin and communism in the Soviet Union is also seen from Stalin’s own words in a little known letter written to the Politburo in 1934. In this letter Stalin writes to keep the Jesuit name out of Bolshevik newspapers and tells the leaders to be wary and not print an article by Engels because it refers, in part, to the Jesuits. Here is the quote by Engels which Stalin warns must be kept out of the Bolshevik.

“Foreign policy,” Engels states -

“is unquestionably in the realm in which tsarism is very, very strong. Russian diplomacy constitutes a new kind of Jesuit Order, which is powerful enough to overcome, when necesary, even the tsars whims and, while spreading corruption far beyond itself, is capable of stopping corruption in its own midst.”

American Jesuit Catholic priest Walsh, professor of geopolitics and founder of Georgetown University School of Foreign Service, which he founded in 1919 –six years even before the U.S. Foreign Service itself existed–and served as its first dean.

According to a mass of documentary evidence the Russian Communist Party were funded and supported from the time of Marx in London by the bankers of Wall Street to counteract the huge industrial expansion of Russia and the ’threat’ it represented to Vatican interests. There are entire libraries of books on the subject.

The Gulags were of course the equivalent of the Jesuit colonies in Paraguay of the late Middle Ages. The long term objectives were, of course, to neutralise Russia, from within. To bring it into conformity with Vatican plans for its eventually 'conversion' by 'dialogue' with Rome. Again in the 20th century with the Fatima cult, the rise to power of Hitler, the invasion and occupation of Russia etc.


Sincerest Respects
Robert

[Robert Newman]

Speaking of 'little known composers', here's a beautiful little gigue by Bach - LOL !!

9/12

J.S. Bach
Violin Sonata BWV 1023/3
Grumiaux, Jaccottet & Mermoud
Gigue

http://www.mediafire.com/?nna1jdnyzte

[Robert Newman]

10/12

Not forgetting -

Felix Mendelssohn (1809-1847)
Piano Concerto No. 2 in D Minor, Op. 40
(Complete)

1) Allegro appassionato
2) Adagio
3) Presto scherzando

One of Mendelssohn’s greatest works. Premiered to huge applause in Birmingham, England during his tour of Britain in 1837 with the composer as soloist.

http://www.mediafire.com/?outznndjwrf

[some guy]

You see how Rzewski is not on my list of great composers !

Well no, actually, I can't.

[Robert Newman]

Hi there Some Guy,

He's obviously on your list, but not mine. Seems fair enough, yes ?

Best wishes

Robert