Six manuals

[dll927]

I've just learned of another six-manual console, in the Cathedral of Santa Maria in Monreale, Sicily. That was a new one for me. According to info, it's a Rufatti, which is not surprising in Italy.

Does anyone have a handle on how many six-manual consoles exist? The list can't be very long, but it would be interesting. I know of Wanamaker, one in Germany, and this one. Yeah, I'm aware of that one in some little burg in West Virginia, but that's an electronic job.

This cathedral in Sicily reportedly is full of mosaic art. Looks worth checking out on a few photo sites.

[Corno Dolce]

Aloha dll927,

There are seven 6-manual consoles currently in operation according to Martin Doering's database: Wanamaker, Lichen Basilica in Poland, Dom zu Mainz, Sejong Cultural Center in Seoul, Stiftsbasilica in Waldsassen, Duomo Monreale in Sicily, and the Forrest Burdette Memorial United Methodist Church in Hurricane, West Virginia.

Cheerio,

CD

[dll927]

Thanks, CD, that's probably about the extent of them.

As if one needed to be reminded that pipe organs are individual instruments, it seems there is no particular relation between size and the number of manuals. West Point is about the third-largest, and it's 'only' a four-manual. So it's more a matter of how many divisions, and even there, such things as floating divisions or using one manual for more than one division seem common.

In looking this up on Google, I ran across an article that goes into quite a detailed description of organ construction. Not that I totally understand all of it, but it's interesting reading nonetheless. It's rather apparent that electrical action opened up possibillities that couldn't be done before that.

[Corno Dolce]

Aloha dll927,

A former organist at the West Point Chapel shared with me that there had been plans to put in a seven manual console in the Chapel but apparently those plans have been way-laid.

[dll927]

Maybe they couldn't find anybody who could reach that far!!

[Corno Dolce]

Aloha dll927,

The seven manual ACCHO is playable by the average dimensioned human.

Cheerio,

CD

[dll927]

Which sort of raises a question: What would be the "ideal" stature or construction for an organist? It would seem that someone with long legs and arms would be most suitable. But since few of us get to choose such things, we have to live with what we've got!!

I've read that the organ in the "mother" Christian Science church in Beantown is a four-manual because at the time the organ was being built, the lady who was chief organist didn't think she could reach a fifth one. Did Lefbvre-Wely complain about St. Sulpice?? In that case, the Recit (Swell) was originally the fifth manual.

I don't know about others, but the upper manuals on the Wanamaker are clearly somewhat tilted. Same for the Atlantic City one. Thus at least one doesn't have to stand on the bench to reach them.

[Corno Dolce]

If my memory serves me, I have this notion that the *APOBA* has promulgated a memorandum that states the ideal console dimensions for organ consoles with two or more manuals.

[acc]

Did Lefbvre-Wely complain about St. Sulpice?? In that case, the Recit (Swell) was originally the fifth manual.

Good question; I don't know. Widor definitely complained, since he had the manual order changed in 1903. But then, Widor wrote stuff for the Récit that has a degree of velocity Lefébure-Wély wouldn't even have dreamed of.

[Contratrombone64]

Corno Dolce - not many really, not surprising actually.

[jvhldb]

Is a five manual organ really needed for church accopanyment? We had a visiting organist a while back that complained because our organ has only two manuals (we use the swell only for the intro (sometimes) and everything else is done on the great) and he was used to a five decker. I can't imagine playing on a five manual organ. As it is I have trouble using the swell if we do a 'hot swop' at the organ as my teacher moves the bench further back than I normally do and I'm not the shortest person in town.

[Corno Dolce]

In many instances the Church has only a single manual organ with pedal pull-downs, or a *toaster*(appliance - denoting a digital organ purchased without forethought), and that suffices for playing hymns and some early music compositions plus arrangements either created by the organist or bought for use on a single manual organ.

[jvhldb]

I know I'm of the toppic here, but at least the appliance don't have pipes that can get filled with bat guano, unlike our organ.

[Krummhorn]

Johan,

My church pipe organ has but two manuals also ... for service playing only, I think two manuals is quite sufficient as long as there are sufficient pistons and reversibles, which my organ severely lacks (there are but 4 generals, one of which I use as a general cancel!).

For concerts, 3 manuals is plenty for me ... I see all those really terrific organs with 5 manuals, but if you notice, the concert organist playing them most of the time only use the Great and Choir - except for a few "honks on the chamade" the upper most manual is seldom used.

One could just as easily have "floating divisions" and less manuals.

[Corno Dolce]

At my regular wedding gig I have a five manual plus pedal *toaster*. However, I use only three and let those upper manuals with associated divisions act as *floating divisions*.