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Tallest pipe organ in PIPE SIZE?

Soubasse

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Thanks for bringing up mitering as an option for reducing the actual space needed (vertically) for pipes. I read about this in a tome I own, and it explained, in far too technical terms for a dolt such as me, that there is a point where the resultant overtones and harmonicds are not workable if the mitering begins too early up the length of the pipe.

I know what you mean about the terminology. An organ builder I know simplified it for me by saying that mitered pipes (flue or reed) often sound "needlessly muffled." He said a similar thing about stopped ranks too, particularly reeds.

if you stand up against the northern end of the southern wall

Now you're just trying to confuse us :). You're right though, they're not the most attractive thing. There's a parish organ here that has mitered reeds in full view as part of the casing. I've always wanted to put a screen in front of them, they look intestinely ugly.
 

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. . . but another one I'm curious about is the tallest organ in overall hieght. I remember a few years ago i found one somewhere in the UK, with an organ about as tall as a 5-story building, but i can't find it anymorez!!! D:

The Wanamaker organ totals 7 stories in height ... the organ pipe chambers themselves occupying 5 stories as per this wikipedia article.
 

SilverLuna

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LOL It's really hard to imagnie the largest (in overall size and pipes) organ (which IS the biggest instrument) is in a mall o_O

But that would be weird to hear music from pipes in the wall while shopping... can scare the crap out of one.
It'sd also kinda funny.... a PIPE ORGAN in a SHOPPING MALL?!

Ahh well this Macy's is sure a unique one xP
 

Krummhorn

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I agree, Silver ...

One of these days I'll get to Philadelphia. Seeing and hearing the Wanamaker is certainly on my priority list of things to do.
 

Thimae

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Hi, pipe organ fans from all around the world! :D
I'm a newbie, so glad to meet you all. ^^

But I've been looking around the web trying to find the tallest pipe organ in the world, but i always come up with the Wanamaker organ in Philidelphia (sp?)!! I know it's the largest in ranks numbers (http://www.theatreorgans.com/laird/top.pipe.organs.html), but is there one with the tallest pipes? I hope i make sense D:

Thank you for your time in helping me!
~Silver


I guess that title belongs to the Boardwalk Hall organ at Atlantic City, which has a true full length 64' Diaphone-Dulzian rank (reeds down to AAAA, then diaphone pipes). As far as I know, its tallest pipe stands 47' with the rest mitered.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong:)
 

Contratrombone64

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Thimae - you are right and wrong on that ... there are two that have that honour, the one you mentioned and the one in my home town (look at my avatar and you'll see its name mentioned).
 

dll927

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To say the least, this discussion reminds one that pipe organs are individual and unique instruments. It goes without saying that building limits and other factors sometimes necessitate oddball measures to fit the damned thing into the space available.

A few posts back, I raised the question of whether a 64' stop has sound or is just there for reputation. It appears that the latter gets the vote. What's the point if they go beyond the limits of human hearing? And few places really have the room to put such monsters, anyway. So a "resultant" ends up being the result.

I've only been in the Crystal Cathedral once. It has a reputation for horrible acoustics (what's that about glass houses??), but I've heard several people carry on about the awesome sound of the organ. Which may raise the question of whether they know what they are talking about. Even Fred Swann, after he left, was heard to somewhat diss that organ. But he went on to FCCLA, which is an entirely different kettle of fish -- I've been to that one lots of times.

It still seems to me that there are organs around that reach the point of being too big for their own good. There is only so much you can do at one time, and the rest is largely "show". And when they are divided into different places (Crystal Cathedral and FCCLA), it raises the question of whether they are really one organ -- both of those have two consoles, and the ones at the Crystal Cath. are NOT identical.

BTW, both Crystal Cathedral and FCCLA have websites that go into considerable lengths about their respective instruments. You can esily Google the C.C. and the other is www.fccla.org.
 
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Thimae

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Thimae - you are right and wrong on that ... there are two that have that honour, the one you mentioned and the one in my home town (look at my avatar and you'll see its name mentioned).

Sorry, I know about your 64' monster - it was the first real 64' rank I've ever "heard" (I tried to electronically reproduce it many times - even my headphones aren't up to the job :) ). But as far as I know, the 64' octave of Sydney Town Hall's Trombone is even more strongly mitered as the one at ACCH. Of course, honours belong two both organs :) (and as far as I can tell, no German organ builder will ever attempt to create a real 64' - even if the accoustics really could support one, as it is the case at Cologne Cathedral :D)

Best wishes,

Thimae
 

SilverLuna

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dll927-- people think the organ is awesome becuase of the size and the quality. I personally think it's a wonderful instrument, with all it's pipes (which sadly they'll be putting in new digital stops) and how well they work together. Not to mention how loud it is! Yet again, people have diffrent opinions on things and that's just fine. :)

And, what's "FCCLA"?
 

jhnbrbr

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A low-pitched rank of pipes will inevitably be considerably more expensive than a higher pitched one. Presumably the volume of material needed varies as the cube of the length, so every octave you drop doubles the length, meaning you need eight times as much material. On that reckoning a 64' rank would be 32768 (8 x 8 x 8 x 8 x 8) times as expensive as a 2' rank
 

Krummhorn

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Yah ,,, woahh indeed.

Prior to 1980 I lived in Southern California and had heard this organ many times when it was "just" 215 ranks. Lloyd Holtzgraf was the organist there at that time.

One weekend there was an organ concert performed by the late E. Power Biggs on a Friday night, and an organ demonstration and organ crawl the next morning.

If you ever go there, the best place to sit is in the 11th pew from the front as close to the center aisle as possible. When both the Chancel and Gallery organs are being used, the listener is thoroughly surrounded by such a glorious sound :up:.
 
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