GrandOrgue 0.2 Beta released for testing...

[ggoode.sa]

Hi Panos,
Sorry for the confusion. I just wanted to know if I should try to help you get more instances of GrandOrgue Multi working.

On my laptop (Win7-64-bit), I am using Jack 1.9.5, connecting to my sound device through ASIO4ALLv2. If I run GrandOrgue-1, configure it to JackRouter, then run GrandOrgue-2 (defaulting to DirectSound) I can change to JackRouter immediately. The same for GrandOrgue-3, GrandOrgue-4, etc.

Could you see if you can get GrandOrgue-1 and GrandOrgue-2 running at the same time by setting both to the DirectSound driver and then to JackRouter? I know that some systems have issues with this but it is worth a try.

I should be able to post some MIDI-OX Mapping instructions tonight

GrahamG

 

[ggoode.sa]

Hi,
I have created a new topic (http://www.magle.dk/music-forums/10683-using-midi-ox-map.html#post101034) dealing with MIDI-OX mapping. It is just a beginning and more information will be added as I have time.
GrahamG

 

[Ghekorg7 (Ret)]

Hi Panos,
Sorry for the confusion. I just wanted to know if I should try to help you get more instances of GrandOrgue Multi working.

On my laptop (Win7-64-bit), I am using Jack 1.9.5, connecting to my sound device through ASIO4ALLv2. If I run GrandOrgue-1, configure it to JackRouter, then run GrandOrgue-2 (defaulting to DirectSound) I can change to JackRouter immediately. The same for GrandOrgue-3, GrandOrgue-4, etc.

Could you see if you can get GrandOrgue-1 and GrandOrgue-2 running at the same time by setting both to the DirectSound driver and then to JackRouter? I know that some systems have issues with this but it is worth a try.

I should be able to post some MIDI-OX Mapping instructions tonight

GrahamG

Hi Graham ! There's nothing to be sorry about ! Your help is invaluable here and we all try to make GrandeOrgue Best !

It seems thta we're running similar systems. In mine, exept Direct sound and Asio4all(+jackrouter), there is a Raiteck sound card with one route to the standard audio output and one to High definition. My Asio uses the standard Raiteck and usualy I heve a high quality signal in my home studio, without the use of an external sound card.

I 'm gonna test multi version again later that evening and read what you say about Midi-ox, as I'm a user (and fun) of Linuxsampler, along with Kontakt4 and Kore all running inside REAPER and/or Seib's Host with a large selection of VST/VSTi s. So you see that there's a mess hapenning in my PC and I have to run many things together, some in 32, some in 64 bits.

Is there a way not to use Midi-yoke, cause the site says it works best with windows95/98 (!!!!) and I mentioned, a few posts above, the issues with x64 systems and UAC. Also the thing is going to be mere tricky...

untill later
Panos

 

[ggoode.sa]

Hi Panos,
You could try LoopBe1 (http://nerds.de/en/download.html) as it is native to x32 and x64 OSs. This suppliles just one MIDI channel (with 16 ports) so that should be enough to get things going. I'll install later as well and see if MIDI-OX can see it. I have UAC disabled as I hate all that extra questioning of what I know I want to do..

I also run Reaper, VSTHost, LinuxSampler and Kontakt (though v3 not v4), so we have much in common!

GrahamG

 

[Dorsetmike]

One thing that slightly puzzels me; the notation software I use, Finalé Songwriter 2010, when I open a new work and select organ as the instrument, I am presented with 3 staves, 1 treble and 2 bass, this would suggest right hand, treble, left hand 1 st bass, pedals 2nd bass; when "played" it all comes out on one channel, i.e useless for GrandOrgue.

In order to get 3 channels I let the software think there are 3 different instruments, usually recorder, oboe and bassoon, (I avoid brass as they seem to get transposed being usually Bb or Eb), and then use one stave for Positiv, one for Great and one for pedal.

I've added a II-I coupler so now I can simulate both hands plaing on either keyboard

The other way to achieve the same end result would be to change the Midi instrument such that 2 manuals are on the same channel.

I'm can't see this affecting playing from a midi keyboard as you can use 2 hands on one manual, it's only playing from a score in notation software or midi file that the "problem" would exist.

 

[ggoode.sa]

Hi Mike,

For soundfont based 'organs' that Finale would usually be connecting to the 'One Channel' makes sense. For GrandOrgue things are, as you know, a little different as each of the manuals is a separate MIDI Channel (this is the same in Hauptwerk and many jOrgan organs as well).

Thanks for pointing it out for the rest of us though, and providing a nice 'work around'.

GrahamG

 

[Ghekorg7 (Ret)]

Hi Mike Hi Graham

Mike I have the same issues with Sibelius 6 (I updated the latest version two days ago) and seems that Finale' & Sibelius have the same approach to do things.

I told you before here for the issue with ac.piano and not writing both saves simultanesly.
With organ Sibelius recognizes two staves for manuals and one for pedal, witch is pretty nice.
If I got a Midi file written for Organ (two staves man/one ped) and send it to Sibelius for playin'/showin' the score, everything goes right.

The problem is when I want to write (with my organ controller and I managed to have 6ms latency!) Sibelius wants me to write one stave at a time.
This is a real problem for a player, but for one who can write (with the mouse) stave by stave it works fine.

So, Mike try this , it works on Sibelius maybe will in Finale' :
Emerge 3 indipendent staves along with the Midi file staves you loaded and give them the instrument name Pipe Organ (or Organ) i.e. like having to write 3 violins, give different midi ch to each and copy the music you want from Midi file staves to organ staves, then delete the midi file ones and you are OK.
This is the way I found in Sibelius, I hope it works for Finale'.

Graham....
Still can not disable my UAC......
My big Quantum Leap Symphony Orchestra still waiting to be installed....
I also sent you in your Skydrive some issues with feedback from reverbs using GrandeOrgue and Jack 1 9 5 in 32bit laptop, a month or so ago, Check it out

I hope I helped
Panos

 

[Dorsetmike]

Hi Panos, it's not really a problem, I was more thinking on line! A performer at an organ can play both hands on the same keyboard or on different keyboards, however using notation software or a midi file to play, you either have to set both staves to the same keyboard channel or use couplers; the way GrandOrgue was configured by the .organ files was for only a I-II coupler which limited the registration choices, adding a II-I coupler solves that.

I shall now continue arranging William Boyce Voluntaries.

 

[Dorsetmike]

As threatened, a William Boyce Voluntary, Number 1 in D from a set of 10. More to follow unless there are some big bribes!!

Cx Programme change commands to set divisionals, only 2 settings used, change at measure 26, where tempo changes.

I've also attached the Midi file, to play it though you would need to have your GO set up so that the divisionals select the stops you want. The divisionals would need to be set to operate by Cx programme change commands and data set as 1 > 8

Divisionals used pedal 1, GO 4 and 7, Positiv 3 and 7. I've more or less got the divisionals set up for most of the combinations I'm likely to use.

Quite a few midi programmes allow you to load and play files, my current preference as mentioned recently is Midiocre. One thing I like about it when playing is I can minimise it to sit over the GO screen, (covers the SM label,) but you can see the measure count running

 

[Ghekorg7 (Ret)]

LoopBe1 where are you ?

Hi Panos,
You could try LoopBe1 (http://nerds.de/en/download.html) as it is native to x32 and x64 OSs. This suppliles just one MIDI channel (with 16 ports) so that should be enough to get things going. I'll install later as well and see if MIDI-OX can see it. I have UAC disabled as I hate all that extra questioning of what I know I want to do..

I also run Reaper, VSTHost, LinuxSampler and Kontakt (though v3 not v4), so we have much in common!

GrahamG

Hi Graham and hi to all !

I downloaded LoopBe1 allright. Then I went for the installation, wizard leads the way everything OK. Now I 've got a shotrcut in desktop with a midi jack icon, another in start-up and the rest in C:/x86, Nerd.de/LoopBe1.
Double clicking any of them doesn't open anything. Where's the tray Icon ?:crazy:
Any ideas ?

Panos

 

[Dorsetmike]

Well, nobody's offered any bribes so here's another William Boyce Voluntary, Number 4.

Apologies for an error in the PDF, in measure 20 there is a note missing from the "left hand" a minim/half note, A below middle C at the beginning of the measure, the C# should be at the end of the measure, it'd been corrected in the Midi but I missed the PDF. Also the PDF shows mordants (trill type wavy lines with a vertical bar through them, had to look them up in the Dolmetsch dictionary!) in measures 61, 62 and 65 IIRC, either Finalé or Midi din't interpret them correctly so I editied them out to straight notes.

Various reasons why I'm posting these works, they are not too well known, so they can do with an airing, I'm getting practice on GrandOrgue, some of what I'm doing may be of use to others and also I would appreciate some feedback on these offerings, suggestions for registration, timing etc, or possibly I can help check out bits of GO, or Midi.

Only 5 more of Boyce's voluntaries, then I've got 30 of John Stanley's !

 

[ggoode.sa]

Hi Mike,
Bravo! As you say, these works are not well known, so having PDF, mp3, and Midi files is wonderful. Thank you
(I have family coming to stay for the weekend, so I won't have time to play this through to make comments on registration or anything)

GrahamG

 

[Dorsetmike]

Don't know if I've found a glitch or if it's just finger trouble; I had an application running using Midiyoke 1, I then opened a second application which also had Midiyoke 1 set, GO took affence at this and refused to play, I hit the panic button, still no play, did a reload, still no play, had to close G O, then reopen and load.

Is this a limitation of the panic button?

 

[Ghekorg7 (Ret)]

Don't know if I've found a glitch or if it's just finger trouble; I had an application running using Midiyoke 1, I then opened a second application which also had Midiyoke 1 set, GO took affence at this and refused to play, I hit the panic button, still no play, did a reload, still no play, had to close G O, then reopen and load.

Is this a limitation of the panic button?

Hi Mike !

In my system the so called panic button never worked.
I was stuck with notes from all over and by luck at the time I was playin with my CME midi Kbd, so I hit the panic in it and everything stoped ok.
Another time while playin' with EL900 (fast passages...'n heavy chords) GO stucked again and I had to close and reload as you did.

Cheers
Panos

 

[Dorsetmike]

Another 2 Boyce voluntaries, Nos 6 & 7, bit of a fugue in 7 a bit different from previous ones

Didn't do a PDF for No 6, I can do one if anybody wants.

 

[Dorsetmike]

Today surprise surprise another Boyce voluntary, No 8. another with a fugue.

Managed to get a coupler to work using a Bx command.

Graham, is there a way to reduce the GO record volume, I've opened a few more stops on this one and the MP3 waveform is close to limiting on peaks, does the volume set on the tool bar affect record volume, playback or both?

 

[el_supremo]

Hi Mike,
The volume control on GrandOrgue affects both playback and record volume.
However, the computer's volume control can be used to increase/decrease the playback volume independently of the record volume.
Pete

 

[Ghekorg7 (Ret)]

Today surprise surprise another Boyce voluntary, No 8. another with a fugue.

Managed to get a coupler to work using a Bx command.

Graham, is there a way to reduce the GO record volume, I've opened a few more stops on this one and the MP3 waveform is close to limiting on peaks, does the volume set on the tool bar affect record volume, playback or both?

Hi Mike. On the recordings I send you using GO I used extecively the volume set. You must have noticed that Bux 211 is to peak and a little above, level, Bux217 (post here) is low enough and finaly I managed to find a middle solution on Pachelbel toccatas & Praeludium.
I posted here in this thread some pages above a test if you want o see it.
Anyway in St-Mockers and in full coupler (everything on...) I found the ideal rec/playback level is to be set at ONLY 16 (!).
Grande Orgue has powerfull output, indeed and luckily has the volume set function witch works both as rec/play setting selection.

cheers
Panos

 

[Dorsetmike]

Thanks, so it's down with the GO volume, I have the PC volume set about halfway, the soundcard output goes to a Technics stereo amp with a remote control and that is set at barely a quarter power, so I should have plenty of leeway.

I probably wouldn't have noticed it before distortion set in except that I do the .WAV to .MP3 conversions in Audacity which is where I noticed it near clipping level. The other use I make of Audacity is to cut off most of the silent start and finish from the GO recording.

 

[el_supremo]

Hi Mike,
Before you start a recording, play a loud part of the piece and watch the VU meters which are just to the right of the volume control. If they hit the red (right hand edge) while you play, turn the volume down until the peaks don't go into the red end. Then your recording won't clip.

Pete