Climategate

[Corno Dolce]

Even I choked on my morning tea when the latest revelation from the upcoming Copenhagen Climate Debacle surfaced. That a British University (East Anglia) research unit (CRU) and its team of miscreants are implicated in a scandal that has very wide reaching implications.

I feel sorry for Denmark having to lay out massive monies to arrange the conflab - Poor beleaguered Danish taxpayers -------- siiiiiiigh*******

Well, as they say - "THE TRUTH WILL OUT" www.mises.org/daily/3899

*exposing climate and eco-weenies for their conceit and deceit* PRICELESS!!!!!!!

[JLS]

If global climate change as a result of human activities is untrue, then I challenge you to put forth solid, peer reviewed literature that shows this is the case. I have yet to see such a conclusion from any reliable source. The website you link to is obviously biased. It was started by a movement based on the work of a man who hated socialism with a passion. No bias there. Their articles are pro capitalistic pro libertarian by nature. Why would someone like you, who claims to have been a professional scientist, get your information from such a source?

Your own words...

Tbh, I really feel sorry for those people who so uncritically receive their info from mass-media or uncritically listen to and don't follow up by doing a little research into spurious claims made by think tanks, political action committees, and political interest groups and their handlers who can never cite peer-reviewed academic journals.

Science is a most wonderful and beautiful tool when used properly but when it is *pimped* or dressed up like a skanky ***** looking for her next carnal encounter all for the cause of political brownie points, then that *pseudo-science* isn't worth the paper it is written on - BAH HUMBUG!!!

Wise words, I thought.

The only groups I know of that are against the green movement are those who support continuing industrialization without regulation. Such people are utterly short-sighted puppets of the greedy, selfish corporate world.

[wljmrbill]

If global climate change as a result of human activities is untrue, then I challenge you to put forth solid, peer reviewed literature that shows this is the case. I have yet to see such a conclusion from any reliable source. The website you link to is obviously biased. It was started by a movement based on the work of a man who hated socialism with a passion. No bias there. Their articles are pro capitalistic pro libertarian by nature. Why would someone like you, who claims to have been a professional scientist, get your information from such a source?

Your own words...



Wise words, I thought.

The only groups I know of that are against the green movement are those who support continuing industrialization without regulation. Such people are utterly short-sighted puppets of the greedy, selfish corporate world.

I agree with you 100% ...money seems to be bottom line again...

[Corno Dolce]

The Copenhagen Fiasco is a product of a corrupt UN/IPCC. They tried to peddle "manufactured data" and were caught with their pants down around their ankles. The sorry state of affairs where sensors are located by air outlet ducts and other placements which guarantee that the results will be skewed call into question the whole regime of data collection.

The whole farce reeks of a desire by a few politically well connected scientists/politicos wanting to impose a 'Novus Ordo Seclorum". The hue and cry about some Pacific Island Colony disappearing underwater because of rising sea levels is proven untrue. Geologic forces still yet not fully understood are at work undermining many Pacific islands "underpinnings".

In all the foofaraw about greenhouse gases, a glaring omission surfaces: water vapor is a greenhouse gas! There is more Argon, Oxygen, and Nitrogen in the Atmosphere than CO2. According to the CRC Chemistry and Physics Handbook the current level of CO2 is 0.0314 % of Earth Atmosphere - Argon is at 0.934 %, Oxygen is at 20.9476 % and Nitrogen is at a whopping 78.084 %!

So much garbage was presented as data - prognostications/computer generated models with no independent testing and verification. As we all know forecasting weather with absolute surety is impossible with statistic probability as a guiding norm.

But what is most disconcerting is that this whole "climate show and tell" is actually subservient to the goal of Global Taxation as administered by the corrupt UN. And here is where the Bilderberg Group comes into play, with its annual conflabs at different discrete locations all around the globe where certain heads of State, Senators, Congresspeople, Parliamentarians, Business, and Industry meet without the glare of the press on them.

And the discussion goes on.................................

[dll927]

By the time it got started, there were reports not to expect much from the Copenhagen confab. I think the whole thing is skewered on BOTH sides of the fence, and it may be questionable whether one can believe much of anybody on the subject. They all have ther agendas, and they're going to stick to whatever they want to foist on the public.

Come January, some nut will come out with another scare about global warning, then some state up in New England will suddenly have their "most severe" winter in thirty years. And so it goes.

[Corno Dolce]

Hi dll927,

You are so right - the scaremongers will soon descend upon people like vultures on a rotting carcass.

Cheers,

CD

[marval]

We are always being told horror stories about global warming, we were told to expect hot summers. All we got this year was a slightly warm summer, and cold snow this winter.

Our politicians tell us what we must do to combat the effects, but do they do as they preach, no they don't.

I take everything with a pinch of salt, if something happens then I will believe it.


Margaret

[Contratrombone64]

The only good thing to come out of this is that people of the world NOW know how to say "Copenhagen" in English how the Danes like us to say it (rhymns with "hay" not "large" no thanks to Danny Kay). And, being a Scandophile, being able to speak a smattering of Danish is a delight.

[intet_at_tabe]

The Copenhagen Fiasco is a product of a corrupt UN/IPCC. They tried to peddle "manufactured data" and were caught with their pants down around their ankles. The sorry state of affairs where sensors are located by air outlet ducts and other placements which guarantee that the results will be skewed call into question the whole regime of data collection.

The whole farce reeks of a desire by a few politically well connected scientists/politicos wanting to impose a 'Novus Ordo Seclorum". The hue and cry about some Pacific Island Colony disappearing underwater because of rising sea levels is proven untrue. Geologic forces still yet not fully understood are at work undermining many Pacific islands "underpinnings".

In all the foofaraw about greenhouse gases, a glaring omission surfaces: water vapor is a greenhouse gas! There is more Argon, Oxygen, and Nitrogen in the Atmosphere than CO2. According to the CRC Chemistry and Physics Handbook the current level of CO2 is 0.0314 % of Earth Atmosphere - Argon is at 0.934 %, Oxygen is at 20.9476 % and Nitrogen is at a whopping 78.084 %!

So much garbage was presented as data - prognostications/computer generated models with no independent testing and verification. As we all know forecasting weather with absolute surety is impossible with statistic probability as a guiding norm.

But what is most disconcerting is that this whole "climate show and tell" is actually subservient to the goal of Global Taxation as administered by the corrupt UN. And here is where the Bilderberg Group comes into play, with its annual conflabs at different discrete locations all around the globe where certain heads of State, Senators, Congresspeople, Parliamentarians, Business, and Industry meet without the glare of the press on them.

And the discussion goes on.................................

Wisely spoken, quote from your post "The Copenhagen Fiasco", sir Corno Dolce. Hats of guys for this wisely spoken gentleman.

This nightmare they have presented to all of us on this planet for years on end, about global warming and the CO2 heavyly overrated poisoning, and then here in Denmark in Copenhagen, they can´t even agree on an international deal, which will take the Kyoto agreement from 1996/97 further on.

Why is it that poiliticians and world leaders in generel take their own situation to be more important to remain in parliament or in any political office than the threatening issues, they have presented to all of us concerning our common poluted planet?

PS. This conference has an economical bill to be payed for by the danish taxpayers of aprox. 1 billion danish crowns.

[Contratrombone64]

I say we all buy large corks and stick them in cows' bottoms, that'll curb loads of gaseous pollution.

[Dorsetmike]

I say we all buy large corks and stick them in cows' bottoms, that'll curb loads of gaseous pollution.

Better still stick 'em in politicians gobs, cut off a lot of hot air.

[marval]

Good one Mike, lots of hot air from our politicians. But cows do do contribute greatly to the problem.


Margaret

[Dorsetmike]

Thing that bothers me is what are they trying to divert our attention from with all this global warming waffle.

[methodistgirl]

By the time it got started, there were reports not to expect much from the Copenhagen confab. I think the whole thing is skewered on BOTH sides of the fence, and it may be questionable whether one can believe much of anybody on the subject. They all have ther agendas, and they're going to stick to whatever they want to foist on the public.

Come January, some nut will come out with another scare about global warning, then some state up in New England will suddenly have their "most severe" winter in thirty years. And so it goes.

You have that right. Right now from New york to Washington D.C is
having a real blizzard. I watched that on the news. We had nothing
but freezing temps and a lot of frozen fog. After so much winter
weather so far, I"m ready for some global warming in Kentucky.
judy tooley

[rojo]

I want to have hope that mankind will do what it takes to look after this planet, and the best interests of everyone on it. But I wonder how 192 countries can come to an agreement when even two people won't agree on things. Especially as greed and power are, and have always been, such predominant factors for human motivation. Sometimes it's discouraging. Sometimes one wonders what the hell is really going on. I wonder if it isn't too late anyway. On really bad days, I wonder if anything makes any difference in the distant future in any case.

Well, I will continue to follow what's going on regarding developments on this issue. Not going to give up hope just yet.