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A great Cavaille'-Coll for jOrgan

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Ghekorg7 (Ret)

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Hi to all !:)

I went to Bernd Casper's site and there's a beautiful and yet powerfull French Symphonic(romantic) Organ A.Cav.-Coll CC2.0 disposition for the latest jOrgan 3.9.3 for free download -Windows 7-XP(not Vista) requiring the latest fluidsynth 1.7 ,Java 1.6 and dualcore pr. 2~4GB mem. An excellent improvement of older CC1.6, now discontinued.

It works as a kinda stand-alone(opens jOrgan first), has everything needed inside the installer , sends a shortcut in desktop, so if you do not have jOrgan installed to your computer , no problem (I removed temporarely my3.9.3 jOrgan from my pc and tested)!

I'm very impressed. I played all afternoon with it.
It requires some time to get it customized to player's set-up (supports an one-manual set-up also) and adjust the built in reverb for optimum sound.
I believe is the best organ disp for jOrgan up to the latest standards.

Great sound, not experienced latency (is the new fluidsynth?), not moving full screen, perfect colours and very French design , option for a 3rd manual(accouplement) and the best of all, has reproductions of Aristide's Appels and some of Vierne's suggestions.

Go to the document page, read the story - there's a photo in St.Denis in Paris....
here's the link

http://bca.free-artists.net/data/entry.php

Br Cd if you read this, I know you don't like toasters but, go and see. For me is an antidote(as we said before) and I can close my eyes, play and dream...

Greetings to all
Panos:cool:


PS Said elsewhere here (NGBO) about Caspers SBO - it's also great(new like CC2.0). There's also a Hanseatic Baroque in preparation, great news ...!;)
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Beta2 version of CC2.0

Hi again !:)

I one more time visited Casper's site and there is a newer version of CC2.o (above) : Beta2 for free download !:D

The set is better than beta1 and Beta1 with the update and has the new "Stereo Spectacular Sound" from Bernd.
I played a little this afternoon and got "drunk" with the quality....!:alc:

There are more steps in customizing this version mostly concerning the buffer size and number for fluidsynth latency. In my system I set in 9/320 from 9/384 Bernd's default. I maybe go for 8/256, my usual for all jOrgans, but I do not know if it's right on this one 'cause it's huge (70something MB) for a jOrgan set... I'll test and then post.;)

The only thing that I do not like in all jOrgans is the quality of fluidsynth out of date built-in reverb....Of course is better than nothing, but maybe Sven has to consider a built in convolver or a better solution for an external reverb.
I sent my pc's out to Motif6's custom algorithmic reverb and the Organ was transformed to something beautifull, really.

Or can we have please a VSTi version of jOrgan?:rolleyes:

Anyway, enjoy !
Cheers
Panos:cool:
 

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Blessed Br. Panos,

Thanx for appending the link. I will look into it. As you might probably know I use Hauptwerk set from Caen with some *extras*. I like the *Walker* toasters and the M&O *machines*.

Cheers,

CD :tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat:
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
walkin' on CD's influence

Blessed Br. Panos,

Thanx for appending the link. I will look into it. As you might probably know I use Hauptwerk set from Caen with some *extras*. I like the *Walker* toasters and the M&O *machines*.

Cheers,

CD :tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat:

Hi Br CD and thanks for posting, I started to believe nobody 's interested on Aristede's masterpieces in VPO form (exept you of course - I know your affection on his instruments - real and virtual) - you're the first to reply.:grin:

I went to this set following your love on Cavaille'-Colls (you know I like the Silbermanns), and I said , what I'm missing here? what is this thing br CT tells about? Then I started reading about Aristede's work, Vierne's proposals, got the huge Notre Dame de Laaken set for HW3(demo....) and just stays there - I don't have the advanced version : doesn't load..

So, Bernd gave us a great gift with this set and I now have an antidote to enjoy a bit of Cavaille':D

I suppose that you play your Caen set with a Walker toaster (and jOrgan I presume)?

Cheers:cheers:
Panos

PS . I got all(or so) of Cezar Frank's works for organ in pdf. You think it;s a good idea to start practicing his Prelude(&fugue) with this set ?:rolleyes:
 

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Blessed Br. Panos,

Yes, by all means, practice Franck on the Cavaille-Coll. Franck's *Fantaisie in C-Major* is even more satisfying, especialy with its F-minor *expostition* - Do have a look at it - You'll not be disappointed - hauntingly tender and beautiful.

Respectfully submitted,

CD :tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat:
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Blessed and thanks br.CD !

I had this work all this time in my hands and I didn't noticed !

It's a copy from IMSLP (don't know the transcriber) and has all the registrations needed and advice when to change ect. Is it Frank himself that wrote these or trascriber's suggestions?

One more thing. All stops suggested or commanded ;) , can be found exactly on this Cavalle-Coll set ! Great fun !!

Cheers
Panos:cool:
 

Corno Dolce

Admiral Honkenwheezenpooferspieler
Blessed Panos,

I have not seen the IMSLP edition. I began studying Franck's music with the Fantaisie in C. Then came the B-minor Chorale...Enjoy your study of Franck.

Respectfully yours,

CD :tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat:

Btw: I use a custom four-manual console a la Cavaille-Coll Amphitheatre Style.
 

greatcyber

New member
Hi Everyone,
It's been a while for me, but I have finally gotten back to playing around with my VPOs. I haven't tried the GrandOrgue just yet but will. I still have MyOrgan and jOrgan (several versions). Months ago I was able to play just fine and then I upgraded to windows 7 (which I love). I also have xp as a dual boot for progs that don't play well with 7. My win 7 is 64 bit...xp is 86 (32 bit). Java is 32 bit.

Now when I attempt to load any of the previous versions of jOrgan I get an error message such as: Praestant1_108.fluidsynth is no longer a valid disposition.

In checking the web for this I only became further confused. I am "jonesing" for my tutti fix. Can anyone offer some advice?

I am playing Midizter on xp but I am also using my delta 1010lt sound card (analogue/digital) and have the default set to multichannel output. I can't always hear from all the channels. If I use the onboard sound chip (idt, formally sigmatel 92xx g-major, creative software worked with that in xp, not so in 7. The new default is hdaudio with ms drivers. There are surround sound output minijack connectors in the rear of the cpu, but I was using a jvc home theatre to output the sound. Yesterday I hooked up a yamaha natural sound av amplifier (from our old system) in order to take advantage of all the dsp effects from churches, theatres, arenas and other world-wide venues.

Now my eyes are beginning to glaze over.

If I get a little help, hopefully the light bulb will go off overhead.

Thanks in advance. :)
 

greatcyber

New member
There is also another problem I forgot to mention: I use a Behringer FB1010 foot controller for pistons and expression. In xp there was no problem. I suppose this unit came with a disc with drivers, but I can't for the life of me find it. I thought it was plug and play but it doesn't appear anywhere, not device manager nor any music apps. I'll try and reconnect a midi cable to both in and out and see if that helps, but i really need this to show up so I can take advantage of all the settings I can save there. It has 10 foot controls with 10 settings each as I can remember.

NOTE: I was finally able to open the fluidsynth disposition for CC, but when I made some changes, I get an error that I cannot save the fluidsynth disposition. My brain is showing signs of old age at the moment. Any younger brain cells out there?
 

greatcyber

New member
Later that evening...

The (very dim) light bulb did indeed go off. Now I have got jOrgan working and got errors with MyOrgan, but decided to give GrandOrgue a try with my organ definition files and samples, et voila! It's all working. Only took 4 hours!

As I get further along, I'm sure I will have more questions and feedback.

Happy Music!
 

ggoode.sa

New member
Hi Stephen,

Glad to hear that you got things working! Enjoy your playing and let us know if you have any more queries :)

GrahamG
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Hi Stephen good to have you back !
Sorry I didn't reply earlier, by the time you post from Qebec it's very late night in Athens...
Anyway, I too got win7 (I love them too) 64bit. Many older apps have problems with, but now more and more appear in new versions supporting the ...future or the present as one guy somewhere in the web was cryin' out : "come to 2010 you..*&^%$#@! it's the 21st century you know...!". I laughed a lot...

Since we are in CC2 for jOrgan thread I have to ask you if you tried out. As you see has everything in it to just work imidiately with win7 and with a desktop icon (I love this stuff).

It took me 4 to 5 months to get my (older) jOrgan apps to work in win7, mostly cause I had issues to understan it's logic - different frm the other VPOs.. Still learning even if I closed 48 some 3&1/2 months ago.

The biggest drawback of jOrgan in 64bit is that after installation and the desk top icon placing , if one double clicks on it , opens jOrgan with the warning to "close it cause an expected problem occured..." thing. This sends many people away from jOrgan.
The solution is very simple, but you must have someone to tell you.I owe to Graham (Thanks;-) )
It's about Java. I got rid of jOrgan desktop icon and went to its folder (in /:C (x86) ) and found this thing called jOrgan executable Jar file with the Java icon. Double click and everything is OK (fluidsynth dispositions). Now I have this Jar file icon on my desk top....
That's why I praise Bernd and his new dispositions : got jOrgan into more modern computer era, boosted sf2's lesser quality to a top position to compete the others and the whole package is very much up to the present.
As doing Stratman and Others at the moment - Paul's Silbermanns are great - only Levy's dispositions give me problems : load ok - no sound and no colour not a lay out as expected...

I also did a recording with this Cavaille', not midi but audio.
Very simple and a bit crazy : I opened CC2.0 and then opened REAPER. Then I connected my pc's out to my pc's line input (no external sound card , just Asio4all).
Got an audio channel in Reaper, armed, send/return to reverb, then went to jOrgan CC2.0 and played.
End up with a .wav great recording and with convolution reverb instead of fluidsynth's obsolate. I know that with an external sound card (better A/D conversion) the outcome will be very very professional. Make CD and give it to your friends to enjoy !

Forget MyOrgan and GrandOrgue v1. v.2 is better and the upcoming v.3 will be best ! (see other thread about)
I got the two Midigers. Graham's Freedom Theater for jOrgan is better and BIGer:):)
Since I played Paramount 310 with HW3 free version, I forgot everything else......

Panos
 
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Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
I forgot and I hope I didn;t cause any harm : jOrgan and it's icon works OK in win7 32bit !! - I did some test with my wife's pc :):)
Now I left a jOrgan with Silbermann 3.0 dispositions in it just in case......
 

greatcyber

New member
I'm not on my music computer right now, but I "think" CC2 is what I recently downloaded. Oh, I forgot, I can check since it is on in the other room. Geez, I love this Home Group aspect and sharing and streaming. Yes, I have the beta 2 copy. That's what I was working with last night.

I've been able to run the prog either way, the .exe or the .jar file. In the past I have made a shortcut to those and put them on the desktop. I run several things from explorer since not everything shows up under programs...and boy, do I have a LOT of them! :)

@ Graham, thanks for all of your hard work and expertise and sharing over the years. So many have benefited from your kindness. Rest assured, I will be a postin! Every day comes a little bit more. I can't just dive right in and spend all day, at least not until we are totally settled after our move. Almost there however.

"Film at eleven."
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
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I've been able to run the prog either way, the .exe or the .jar file. In the past I have made a shortcut to those and put them on the desktop. I run several things from explorer since not everything shows up under programs...and boy, do I have a LOT of them! :)

....................................................
"Film at eleven."

Hello Stephen !
Did you manage to get jOrgan to work from it's desktop original icon(.exe) in 64bit windows7 ??!!:confused:
If it is so tell me what you did ! As I told you this thing works in 32bit win7.
In 64bit works with Java icon (.jar file)

CC2.0b2 has it's own icon on desktop and works great as it is. Bernd did everything right for our convenience! As I also said has jOrgan 3.9.4 inside it's folder. Is a complete package.
Did you play with it? Give us your report on this beast !

My desktop is blocked with icon traffic:grin:
I also got a lot inside and use extecively the explorer.
Over 800 VSTs and many of them transformed in standalone apps (with Savihost), 3 complete studios and of course all kinds of VPOs with all free sets....many GB consumed my friend....:crazy:

Have fun !
Panos

PS. what do you mean "film at eleven" ?
 

greatcyber

New member
I'll start with the end, Panos. "Film at eleven" is something that they say in the states when they have some news to share but only give you a teaser during the day or evening. Typically, (before 24 hour news networks) that was when most people tuned in to get the days events before retiring for the night. It is a catch phrase that stuck. It just means more news will be forthcoming. :)

I mis-spoke when I said that I have run the programme both ways. I have 32 bit on my laptop, which was my main computer until about 9 months ago, so that was what I was referring to. My music computer is 64 bit and has 7 on it and xp because GS3 would not operate under that OS nor does it like to have drivers for antivirus, internet browsers, etc. So my xp partition is a bare bones type of thing with only a few programmes, i.e. GS3, Miditzer 216, 260 and a few others. The 7 partition can take advantage of the 4 gigs of RAM and will eventually be added to. There is space to add several more audio cards. I got the Delta 1010 LT specifically because I read that the Joe Hardy/Miditzer set up advised that it was a good choice. I also read that creative cards (2) could be used with sound fonts being used to recreate realistic chambers. Stupid me, since I have sound font bank manager app from creative on my laptop, I misunderstood. (another of those senior moments) and I got all the files on disc from the Hardy HVO site (might have been Walnut Hill). The Delta card is, in fact, quite good, but it turns out that once again, I was too anxious to get a theatre organ up and running and took the advice from the website. But it has 2 break-out cables connected to the card with both analogue and digital in/out sources, as well as 2 mic inputs. I wanted my own "studio" at home but in actuality will not be recording from different sources/instruments so I probably would have done better to get creative/emu cards. I got the delta on ebay. I'll probably look for some creative or other cards. I have an extensive collection of sound fonts that I would like to utilize to make music.

I still haven't perfected the use of music apps nor chosen one I like best. I started with cakewalk but have appleton, cubase, etc. as well. But that's for somewhere down the road when I start to use apps like miraslov philharmonik, reason, Native Instruments products, vienna symphonic, symphonic choirs and word builder, et al. I had a "fantasy moment" a couple of years ago and thought how fun it would be to write and then record the different tracks with all of the instruments/choirs and feel that "satisfaction" of having accomplished such a feat. So far...it's only a "defeat" but then I really have not spent the time to learn yet. My problem is that I have so many interests and my mind is always going in many directions. I tend to start one thing and get side-tracked in short order. I probably have attention deficit disorder. At the very least, I get bored very quickly.

My main drive continues to be the VPO.

I had a brain storm last night and decided to disconnect my FCB1010 from the emu controller and connect it directly to the midi input of the delta card and see if win 7 will automatically detect it and get the driver for me. Before the move and the computer upgrade I had the swell shoe working and the crescendo pedal (the FCB has 2 expression pedals) so now I am using the controller wheels on all 3 keyboards. One is for solo exp, one for main, and one for crescendo. Cumbersome but workable. So many knobs, buttons and sliders on all 3 keyboards to use as pistons, but then who can remember which functions with which organ/instrument?

I plan on making my own organ at some point, using all the various sample sets I have acquired. But right now I've just been like a kid in a candy store with listening to all of the different organs and the sounds they create. I still don't have a favourite as I haven't even experienced them all yet.

Savihost is something I recently acquired to replace VST Host. I also have Sample Lord for .gig files (of which I have a ton) but then I am restricted to preselected sounds.

I have also played with organ tool and organizer from the NL, but you are restricted to 16 stops with each sound font.

Today I will endeavor to get the GS3 working and try to hear the Peter Ewers sound library I purchased last year. I think it is Ste. Madelaine's organ samples. The demo sounds wonderful.

While I am with the music computer I will try some different approaches to executing jOrgan and if I come up with anything significant to share, I will. Normally I jump right into a programme and THEN start to read in forums what works and what doesn't. Of course, I want the elusive "instant gratification" and (pardon the pun) that is a pipe dream.

I will continue to update. My samples/vsts, etc. now consume a terrabyte!

Cheers.
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
GigaTerra.....

Hi Stephen !
OK. This is the kinda post reply I like : long and rich in sharing :)
Although I got many friends in the states, for over 30 years, I never heard of Film at 11...Now I know, thanks.

You opened many fronts here, where to start and where to finish.....

jOrgan. Explanation OK.I hope you find the time to play with CC2.0 and tell us about. From what I read you're in a middle of great mix-up:grin:

A few more things about CC2.0, for our visitors who read this thread :

I played a lot this afternoon with this beast. The more I play the more I like it. Br. CD has right about Cavaille'-Colls.
I started to build some generals , about 5 so far, to help me with some pieces I'm workin' on.
CC2.0 has a small stop on the right of the main stop to add an octave : if the main stop is 8', the small is 4'. On some stops there is a 16' also (GOOD!)

Latency : I owed a test on buffer size/number. I reduced size to 288 No.9 on most groups and the few that had 256/9 I did 256/8 (standard) : the keyboards responce was much better. Next time I'll try 9/128 on all, although with so many reed stops I don't think its a good idea.....
Damn fluidsynth, if only jOrgan had the Asio4all or Jack option on windows:rolleyes:
Of course there's an option on some dispositions to switch to sfz instead of fluidsynth, or Linuxsampler but this task is too much for me right now, I got too much stuff collected, like a spoiled kid.....

I detected a sample missing from stop "Montre8'" in greatorgan : A#4 sample is not there...

Btw Bwv565 sounds amazing on CC2.0.

Soundcards. I hate them, but can't live with them.I use Asio4all drivers on both my laptops (64&32 bit), just to keep things as simple as possible to concentrate most on music itself. I hate spagetti cable, I had them all my life, I;m sik of them. At Yamaha - Greece they say Steinberg ext cards are better. They offering me a very good one with 216euros.Has excellent D/A A/D converters and this way best sound.

As I started to get rid of many programs I massed up the last 6 months, I don't use sf manager and related progs.
I play my (also) huge library with sfz, sfz + 101pro and Shortcicuit(v1&v2).
Also play my .gig (huge) banks with Linuxsampler.
BUT : as I more and more use (and learning to work with) my Kontakt 4, I send away many other programs. K4 translates many formats and is powerfull on creating/editing.

After my last cleanin'up they stay in my system :
Salamander Grand Piano in sfz format (1.9GB)
Safwan Matni's General Grand Piano as standalone(savihost), Hauptwerk3, GrandOrgue, jOrgan, Midigers 216&150, Kontakt 4 (with huge library, now start creating my own NKI banks), Kore player, EWQL SO, Miroslav PO, Independence, Engine, UVI workstation, SampleTank, SampleTron, SampleMoog, All vintage synths from Electostudio, MDrummer3, Hydrogene, proteus VX, DrumCore, sfz, sfz+101pro, Shortcircuit (V1&v2), Linuxsampler(with Fantasia front end), XWOF-6F, Addictive drums, VSTHost, Majken's Chimera/Grizzly, Sibelius 6.1, Musescore 0.9.6 with Crisis sf2 GM(1.8GB), MULab free, MtTrack free (3ch only, just for quick stuff and notation editor) and my main work place, REAPER (with over 800 VST instruments and effects).Also many other related apps.:crazy:

Mostly I practice/having fun playing, with my VPOs/VHarpsichords, Salamander/General pianos and EWQL SO when not composing and/or recording.

There are times when I just want to go out of this world and so I play with HG Fortune synthesizers with spooks, planets ect Have you seen his latest XWOF-6F? It's a wonderful trek...

Panos:cool:

PS. What is this GS3?
 

Contratrombone64

Admiral of Fugues
My main drive continues to be the VPO.

I had a brain storm last night and decided to disconnect my FCB1010 from the emu controller and connect it directly to the midi input of the delta card and see if win 7 will automatically detect it and get the driver for me. Before the move and the computer upgrade I had the swell shoe working and the crescendo pedal (the FCB has 2 expression pedals) so now I am using the controller wheels on all 3 keyboards. One is for solo exp, one for main, and one for crescendo. Cumbersome but workable. So many knobs, buttons and sliders on all 3 keyboards to use as pistons, but then who can remember which functions with which organ/instrument?

I plan on making my own organ at some point, using all the various sample sets I have acquired. But right now I've just been like a kid in a candy store with listening to all of the different organs and the sounds they create. I still don't have a favourite as I haven't even experienced them all yet.

Savihost is something I recently acquired to replace VST Host. I also have Sample Lord for .gig files (of which I have a ton) but then I am restricted to preselected sounds.

I have also played with organ tool and organizer from the NL, but you are restricted to 16 stops with each sound font.

Today I will endeavor to get the GS3 working and try to hear the Peter Ewers sound library I purchased last year. I think it is Ste. Madelaine's organ samples. The demo sounds wonderful.

While I am with the music computer I will try some different approaches to executing jOrgan and if I come up with anything significant to share, I will. Normally I jump right into a programme and THEN start to read in forums what works and what doesn't. Of course, I want the elusive "instant gratification" and (pardon the pun) that is a pipe dream.

I will continue to update. My samples/vsts, etc. now consume a terrabyte!

Cheers.

I just wish I knew what this all means ... I must be dull.
 

greatcyber

New member
Me thinks not, David. It has been making my brain say, "oye vey" for over a year now.

Suffice it to say that these are all music applications that emulate different instruments on different channels to use with music-making softwares. :)
 
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