Sell/use by dates

Dorsetmike

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I seem to recall that "curing" bacon/ham, pickling vegetables and making jam were intended to preserve the food so treated, so why now do so many of these items need comparatively short sell/use by dates, and just how much accuracy is there in these dates and the use within x days of opening?

Similar with tinned foods, who and what determine usable periods? Have canning methods changed for the worse over the years?

In my usual grumpy old fart mode I often wonder if it is more a case of "convince the consumer to chuck it away and buy some more", nowadays re-inforced by the "claim damages" culture.

I remember my mother spooning the occasional bit of mould off the top of a pot of home made jam (she made dozens of pounds each year) and we ate the rest of it with no adverse consequences, similar with cheese, take a slice off all round if/when mould appeared. The looks and smell were the main indicators of not usable.

Catering for one it's not easy sometimes to consume a tin or jar of something within the quoted period so it gets wasted, or you buy the smaller sizes and pay nearly as much, e,g a small tin for 35 and a tin twice the size for 40.
 

teddy

Duckmeister
Mike
I am not sure what triggered this business off. An awful lot of food does not spoil, and as you state things like jam, cheese etc are perfectly usable with a bit of trimming. Cake can usually be eaten stale with no ill effects and I for one have in the past dampened stale bread and popped it in the oven to rejuvenate it. Chicken of course is one thing you can not take chances with but most foods do not need to be thrown away because of the use by date. One thing may be relevant and that is the content of the food. My family also made jam and I am sure it was a very diferent product from the stuff we buy nowadays. Pork, ham and chicken seems to be full of water not to mention the stuff the animals are fed on and chemicals they are injected with. The only fertilizer any of the vegitables in or garden saw was seaweed and even the water it came out of was purer. We notice when we are abroad, mainly France or Spain, and always small villages or towns, how much better the food looks and tastes. I had the most delicious steak I have tasted in a long time cooked outdoors at a shabby little roadside bar in France. It was a large meal with drinks and coffoe and cost approximately £11.00. We always eat where the locals eat and shop where they shop and that way we know will will get good food. They refuse, unlike us, to eat rubbish, even if they do not mind exporting it. We have got used to buying and eating crap in this country and it will be very hard to re-educate people, especially as so many of them seem to live on fast food. The answer? I don't know. Farm shops can be a good source but farmers fares and markets tend to be expensive. Pick your own is just about dead down this way because of "health ane safety" We grow some vegatables but not as much as we would like. Maybe in retirement we will have more time. Move abroad? Very tempting and maybe a little village in France, Spain or Italy is the cheapest answer. I saw a very nice little town house in Canet for £68,000. So temping. You must come out for dinner when I move.

Teddy ( Will stop now before I am accused of Verbal D)
 

wljmrbill

Member
I might be wrong but I think much of that dating has nothing to do with spoilage.,.maybe freshness and definately more momey for the producers from people who fear these dated concepts..I still skim off the mold on jams,cheese etc and eat it.. I say use the old nose and save a dime.... retirement you have too.
 

JHC

Chief assistant to the assistant chief
Its the chemicals that 99%of food is laced with today that causes the problem, also food had much more taste 40 years ago than it has today, how many of you grow your own veggies? also meat had a better taste the slaughter houses of today use so much water to wash the meat down.
 

Krummhorn

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Bingo, Colin ...

The problem you describe is so very true - we eat more to get the flavor, and as a result gain weight in the process. America is bulging with obese people.

There is a huge difference in the quality of foods today as compared to my youthful years.

Hunts finally broke the bond with high fructose corn syrup and it now tastes like ketchup from the old days, and I use much less than before.
 

JHC

Chief assistant to the assistant chief
Obesity seem to be the norm in the western world, I think Mike has started a very interesting thread do you remember when smoked ham and smoked fish were actually cured with smoke ? what a disgusting process eh, to day we can soak them in lovely pure chemicals and wrap them in plastic film, oh boy. And an acre of pasture used to support say 2 doz sheep now we can cram 80 plus of the little buggers on it, they have to eat grass that has just been fouled by their mates, Pig farming Chicken farming you could go on for ever, still if it makes a buck or two what the hell.:banghead:
 

teddy

Duckmeister
This was my point. We have got used to eating crap. The average French man spends 25% of his income on food. This is not just quantity, but quality. We have got used to cheap fast food. But most of it is not good food. We must reverse the trend.

teddy
 

JHC

Chief assistant to the assistant chief
teddy, Cooking (let alone growing) has become a lost skill.
 

Krummhorn

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Until recently, oh about 5 years ago, having been a single parent with a teenage son and his hollow leg appetite, I used lots of "prepared" things like Hamburger Helper and such. Then one day I was made aware of the ingredients and was horrified ... I then started to "think outside the box" and learned the art of preparing dishes from scratch.

No stranger in the kitchen by any means, I love to cook, and be creative at times ... I know that preparing from raw ingredients is far more healthy than the alternative. The wife and I equally share the preparing of meals (and the kitchen cleanup afterwards).

The other thing is "portion control" ... we bought smaller plates to use at supper time - the effect is that we eat less and still feel nourished.
 

teddy

Duckmeister
You have my admiration Lars. I had a spell of bringing up one of my daughters on my own. I also nursed my present wife through a big opp. and had to do all the cooking. It was a tossup whether the operation would kill her or my food.

teddy
 

Dorsetmike

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I've done most of the cooking for over 30 years, first wife worked night shifts (nursing) so I started taking on cooking on the days she was sleeping; my second wife had a longer commute than I did so I would start cooking when I got in, gradually taking over most of the cooking.

Now I have to do it all, cos there's just me!

I used to grow my own veg, but the garden I have now is not big enough to make it viable (it's full of roses anyway)

My main gripe about catering for one is either having to buy the uneconomical small size tins or mess about freezing half a tin of beans or whatever.
 

JHC

Chief assistant to the assistant chief
Well I can't cook, never had to, much too lazy to learn now.
Baked Beans on toast is about my limit
 

Contratrombone64

Admiral of Fugues
There's no trick to cooking, Colin. Get the recipe, read it through, follow it step by step. You sound as though you're spoilled by your wife.
 

JHC

Chief assistant to the assistant chief
Yeh, its easy when you know how and yes my Wife is a great cook, for me it is too time consuming and I really do not have an interest in cooking, other things I want to do. I'm terrible eh
 

teddy

Duckmeister
My problem is that I never fancy eating anything I have cooked. And this business of geting everything ready at the same time so you are not waiting for the potatoes or gravy beats me. Greatest admiration for people who can.

teddy
 

teddy

Duckmeister
Has anyone noticed a link between fast food outlets and obesity. Near to my office there are at least 10 different outlets, and the area is awash with overweight people. There was not this availability of food when I was young. Just two fish and chip shop in the village and they were only open in the evening (and not every evening). The goverment is talking about health warnings for fast food. Would these be displayed on the outside of the shops to discourage people going in? Would they include pictures of the sort displyed on ciggarette packets showing the effects of being very fat. Will they introduce a fast food tax to help fund the NHS? There is a strong link between obesity and diabetes, which is becomeing more and more prevelant and costs the country a fortune. There is also talk of refusing social security payments to those who can not work purely because they are overweight. Am I geting off the subject?

teddy
 

Mat

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They'll crash through the door just to get their two big macs, fries and a diet coke...
 
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