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    jOrgan Spanish Organ

    I found this today while cruising around jOrgan sites. Maybe someone could import into GO?

    http://jomonsite.chez.com/MonSite/Spanish%Organ.htm

    Further, this page has links to just about any kind of jOrgan disposition you may want, including SF2/SFZ: http://jorgan.sourceforge.net/disposition

    Hope this makes a bunch happy
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    The first link is not working here Stephen.
    Cheers MIKE.

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    Hi Stephen !

    My friend thanks for this post !
    I allready have this one and is one of the best jOrgan sets, simply cause has full original Spanish pipe organs' samples - the biggest sf2 bank so far..
    The samples are taken by P.Herrero and originaly was produced for Hauptwerk1 - this means that it works (the HW1set) for GrandOrgue.
    See my thread sticky index for GO free sets and you will find this organ listed.
    But not available nowadays...Graham tries to locate Mr. Herrero to ask permition for relelease...

    BUT : I 've got Organo Espagniol for HW1 > IT DOES Not work with any of MyOrgan / GOv.1 / GOv.2 ....! Is the only HW1 set it doesn't.
    Another serious thing : set is about 404MB big and has many different .exe s'
    If one needs to load ths set to HW3 will spend much memory, especially if all dispositions are to be loaded...In my system, Spanish Organ inside Hauptwerk weights 2.5GB !!

    So, work is to be done for a GO Spanish King...
    'Till then jOrgan Spanish is the only Free Spaniard we can play and enjoy. Yes. enjoy, 'cause the sound itself is the same HW & GO use !! and then there is this beautiful red / yellow console with 3 great spaniard photos !!
    Thank you Monsieur Levy !

    Have you tried the Cliquot ? and Muselaar clavichord?

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    Hi Panos,

    Yes, I tried all of the downloadable links from the various sites listed there. About 7 or 8 different sites full of instruments.

    Mike, you're right. The link doesn't seem to work, at least not in firefox. I tried this one, too: http://jlmonsite.chez.com/MonSite/music.htm

    which leads to the download pages of not only the Spanish organ, but Hammond Ebony, Cliquot and others. But I can only get there by using Chrome browser?!?

    Don't know what to tell you other than try it using Chrome.
    Last edited by greatcyber; Aug-15-2010 at 01:14.
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    Hi, found the problems in the first link, jomonsite should read jlmonsite and the % should be followed by 20 (%20 =space)

    http://jlmonsite.chez.com/MonSite/Spanish%20Organ.htm
    Cheers MIKE.

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    Hi guys !

    I got Internet explorer 8, both 32&64bit, Firefox and Google Chrome. All 4 work great.
    Yes Stephens 1st link do nothing at all (Ex8 32bit).
    BUT there's allways a simpler way : Go to jOrgan site typing Sven Meier jOrgan in Google search (if you type jOrgan only it leeds you to jOrdan !) and then go to dispositions bottom page and see all guys who do dispositions. Clicking a name leads you to the appropriate site.
    These days Casper's is out for maitenance and sadly Stratman's is not found anymore !? what happend ?

    Caution. Levy's ecxellent dispositions need to be half costructed after dowload and placing all components in a disposition file !
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    Hi Guys,

    As already indicated, this was a HWv1 sample set before it was a soundfont, so if you're wanting to play it in GrandOrgue just let me know and I'll send you a link.

    @Panos - Paul Stratman has recently gone to a new server, so his new web address is http://stratmaninstruments.comeze.com/

    Have fun!

    GrahamG

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggoode.sa View Post
    Hi Guys,

    As already indicated, this was a HWv1 sample set before it was a soundfont, so if you're wanting to play it in GrandOrgue just let me know and I'll send you a link.

    @Panos - Paul Stratman has recently gone to a new server, so his new web address is http://stratmaninstruments.comeze.com/

    Have fun!

    GrahamG


    Hi Graham. This link too says page not found.....
    I e-mailed Paul. So I wait..

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    I have a question for the experts: I have downloaded all of these dispositions, skins, soundfonts, sfzs, etc. and I have about 5 versions of jOrgan installed. With the recent links I posted for the Spanish and Cliqout, etc. sometimes I get an error that says "this is no longer a valid disposition file or for the Spanish one, that it requires a fluidsynth extension - even tho it has FS in the disposition. Another error is happening when attempting to save after changing a disposition with errors. I get an "unable to save *FS.disposition" for example.
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    Stephen this is one reason I am not that fond of jorgan.. for some reason Hauptwek and miditzer are much easier to work with...in my experience.
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    That's true, but jOrgan has so many more sample sets that sound great and are free. I love Miditzer, but there are not many options for different organs and Hauptwerk carries with it a huge expense for the really great sample sets.

    Learning curves are the bane of my existence, lol.
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    Yes true. I have only the free edition.. out of my budgit at present time to buy full editions/organs.
    ....To play only what is written is the domain of science. To realize what is not written is the domain of art."
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    Quote Originally Posted by greatcyber View Post
    I have a question for the experts: I have downloaded all of these dispositions, skins, soundfonts, sfzs, etc. and I have about 5 versions of jOrgan installed.
    It is considered bad practice to have more than one version of jOrgan installed in your computer, although some users seem to manage to do this successfully to some extent. The recommended use is to have installed the most recent version. This can try one's patience, because jOrgan is under constant development, meaning that it is becoming better all the time. What needs to be realised is that dispositions which have been opened and saved in a late version of jOrgan will no longer work
    in an earlier version.
    Fluidsynth adds to the confusion, because Fluidsynth itself is being developed, and constantly coming out with new versions itself.
    My advice is to use the Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs to remove all your jOrgan versions, and then download and use the latest version INSTALLER from the jOrgan Download page to make sure that you have the latest version of jOrgan. This should ensure that the currently most helpful version of Fluidsynth is present.
    It is also recommended that the various files now being supplied by disposition developers for a given disposition should be placed in a single folder with an appropriate identifying name, and that folder be nested within the dispositions folder of your (one) jOrgan version.
    If you are having problems with understanding or managing jOrgan, you will always find users ready to help you, on the jOrgan forum.
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    Analogicus, thanks for the tip. I thought I had read somewhere that certain organs only worked with certain versions, hence the multiple instances with the appropriate dispositions filed within them.

    I do have the most recent version installed and have already done as you suggested and have folders with respective organs within the tree of the jOrgan directory. My understanding has been that not all organ definitions were backward compatible and that certain dispositions needed the particular version of jOrgan, so the various versions I have reside in the root directory or on external hard drives.

    I'll return to the jOrgan forums for a bit more reading as I obviously overlooked or misinterpreted something in the past. I appreciate your info.

    @Graham: I would be very interested to have the Hauptwerk 1 version of the above-mentioned organ. I did enjoy the sample pieces that were on the site.

    I'm glad that now at least we know how to get back to the site (thanks Mike/Panos).
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    Hi guys !

    Stephen follow Analogicus advice to the word. Latest version of jOrgan is 3.10. I used it to create my dispositions (8 till now, you allready know Russell..). Spanish and all Levy's dispositions need to be constructed to see and hear them in full.
    Try Cavaill'e-Coll 2.o from Bernd Casper has everything in it (widows installer) or Paul C. Stratman's or John Reimer's Earlwood organs. They just open ok in full. But get the latest jOrgan version first ! You'll have to select your midi controller though
    ONE BIG HELP is BILL SKEES jOrgan manual (in two volumes about 200 pages) and is free download from his site, I think "Bill Skees Recording Artist" (Google search). Get it.

    My friend Bill, you know I love Hauptwerk and it's great performance in all levels and Grand Orgue with it's huge polyphony, power , it's everyday evolution to be the best and of course it's freedom ! but I wanted to see jOrgan at work and this work to be as great as the other two.... so we can end up with a triad of great VPOs (3 is better than 2 or 1 for unexplicable reasons). I smashed my head for months to understand jOrgan's logic and remembered each time your words about using just two apps (HW3 free and Midiger) and how well I should be too if I stayed calm. I continued though...
    Now I know and is worth the effort. Yesterday night I put Haupwerk samples - organ stops - into jOrgan. Great sound. No difference. Have you ever spoted a difference between an organ set for HW1 played on HW3 and on GOv2 ? I can't tell...

    So I ended up with this : it all depend on how good are the actual samples of the real organ.
    In the end all VPO programs are in fact sample-players with merging functions, I mean their possibility to play as much channels at once as the opened organ stops ! - each stop is considered as a sole instrument -
    I have like you the Midigers and like them a lot too . Have you tried to replace the sf2 bank with something else, lets say a General Midi one ? Midiger transforms itself to a workstation (with the use of it's midi recorder) !!
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