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    "New" Mozart Requiem performance

    On the weekend I played continuo for a new completion of the Mozart Requiem. A local musicologist, Letho Kostoglou, has spent quite a few years doing a lot of exhaustive research and finally managed to secure a premiere performance of his edition. It was clearly an amibitious project and I think it paid off very well, especially for a work that is relatively unique in the repertoire due to the many inconsistencies and mysteries surrounding it. Those who are accustomed to the "traditional" performances will have noticed some distinct differences, especially in the Lacrymosa and the "new" Amen fugue.

    It's one of a very small number of Mozart works that I know fairly well (mainly because I find a substantial amount of Mozart's stuff hideously unlistenable) but I was glad to be a part of this performance, playing as we did to a capacity crowd and in the presence of the Governor. It will be interesting to see what reaction this edition might have internationally.
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    I am sure it was work as well as alot of fun at the same time. Glad you had the chance. Any recordings(clips) of the performance?
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    It was recorded, but I suspect that they'll be keeping a tight hold on it whilst they vet certain parts. There were a few slip-ups (not from me of course ) which they may not wish to broadcast (especially the trombones coming in two bars late in one movement!). But I'll keep an ear out for anyone interested.
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    I bet you enjoyed the weekend very much, would love to hear it if that becomes possible.


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    Welcome back Margaret... Missed your posting and hope you had a GREAT HOLIDAY...
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    I'm sure the extremely talented Wolfgang Amadeus would find you hideous, too, Matt ...

    Anyways, the Requiem isn't my favourite genre nor is the Mozart my favourite. Glad you had fun, Matt - were you reading of a realised continuo part of do you "do figures"?
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    Thank you Bill, not a holiday just some things I had to do.


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    Hi Margaret - How marvalous to see you in these hallowed halls once again! You have been missed.

    David - I used to do figures but for this event I was reading from the full score (which included a figured bass line) so that I could "double-check" things against the vocal and instrumental parts. There were a few proofing errors in the figured bass so I was glad that I had the rest of the score there, even though it meant I had 100 times more page turns than usual (but when one is playing a continuo part on a grand organ - which I generally hate doing - that's what the feet are for, to take over from the left hand whilst turning pages. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soubasse View Post
    On the weekend I played continuo for a new completion of the Mozart Requiem. A local musicologist, Letho Kostoglou, has spent quite a few years doing a lot of exhaustive research and finally managed to secure a premiere performance of his edition. .
    Sounds extremely interesting can you divulge the major differences?
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    Congrats Matt!!!

    I'll be waiting to buy a copy of that recording if it ever appears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soubasse View Post
    which I generally hate doing - that's what the feet are for, to take over from the left hand whilst turning pages. )
    Indeed and the feet are especially adept at Alberti Basses when required
    I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.
    —Albert Einstein.

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    To outline the major differences I'd need to sit down and compare scores which would take me more time than I have. Off the top of my head, the most obvious differences (for anyone who knows the work well enough) were in the Lacrymosa; instead of concluding with the "trad" short, plagal Amen, it went to an imperfect cadence which lead into an extended Amen fugue, drafts of which surfaced relatively recently (and evidently in Mozart's hand). Also, a reasonable amount of this edition was based upon work by Eybler, Mozart's last student, rather than Sussmayer (who was Mozart's copyist). The edition that I suspect most of us have been accustomed to over many years is apparently largely attributable to Sussmayer who made some curious (and inconsistent IMO) alterations. From what I can see, this new completion by Letho has made the work more even from start to finish. When I've been involved in or attended performances of the Mozart Requiem in previous years, I've often heard the comment "well I can tell which parts were not by Mozart". For my ears, it's harder to tell with this edition.

    By the way, I was probably a little cruel in my initial post with the use of the word hideous. For my ears, a great deal of Wolfy's stuff I've found awfully trite and lacking in substance. His "bigger" choral pieces such as the C Minor Mass and the Requiem are the sorts of stuff I can manage to listen to. I'm also quite fond of a few of his slow movements (Adagios from Concertos, etc). Personally, I think the pinnacle of the Classical style was reached and duly surpassed by Ludwig.
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    After being "force-fed" Sussmayr's "completions", Eybler's is a Godsend
    *If a man wants God to hear his prayer quickly, then before he prays for anything else, even his own soul, when he stands and stretches out his hands towards God, he must pray with all his heart for his enemies. Through this action God will hear everything that he asks* -Abba Zeno-

    *Protagoras: "Truth is subjective. What is true for you, and what is true for me, is true for me. Your opinion is true by virtue of its being your opinion."

    *Socrates: "My opinion is: Truth is absolute, not opinion, and that you are in absolute error. Since this is my opinion, then according to your philosophy you must grant that it is true."

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    It would be interesting to know why Soubasse finds so much of Mozart "unlistenable". To say the least, he had a way with melodies. His violin and piano concertos are right up there.

    Whoever wrote a "requiem" back then had to deal with the Latin wording, and there have been a number who tried.

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