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Grandorgue & Windows 7 64 bit

7thGalaxy

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Hello

I've recently upgraded to win 7 and am having trouble getting grandorgue to work - the organs sound like they have been put through a very bad reverb effects processor, and then mangled. Is there a compatablility issue?

In addition, I can't get Sibelius 7 to speak to MidiYoke - is there another way of getting grandorgue and Sibelius to talk to each other?

Thanks

Thomas
 

L.Palo

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What version of GrandOrgue are you using? Do you have ASIO4ALL driver or are you using dsound?

Kind regards

Lars P
 

L.Palo

New member
The little I've played with GO 0.2 on Windows 7 64 bit worked pretty well with the ASIO4ALL driver. So, for a start I'd recommend you to download and install it and see if that makes any change.

Also, of course have a look in the Windows sound configuration so that the soundcard is configured correctly, but I assume that normal CD quality playback works well for you otherwise. To make sure your wav files in the sampleset are ok, try a few of them in an audio player/editor as well.

Kind regards

Lars P
 

7thGalaxy

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Thanks - it all seems to have cleared up.

Is there a newer version of GO about?

And does anyone have a solution to my second question, about midiyoke (which dosn't work with sib 7 because sib 7 is 64 bit)
 
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L.Palo

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There's a newer version of GrandOrgue (that's going to be very good), but presently one will have to compile it oneself from the source as it's lots of development happening right now. It's not so hard to do, but I'm almoast exclusivly using (and developing on) Linux so I'm afraid that I cannot at the moment provide any recent binary for Windows.

Have a look at loopMIDI and see if that will answer your connection needs.

Kind regards

Lars P
 

7thGalaxy

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LoopMidi can talk with sibelius 7 but not with GrandOrgue 0.2.01 - Loopbe30 can also talk with sib 7 but has infinite loop problems which I can't seem to sort out.

Glad to hear that there is active development for GO.

Edit - Sibelius 7 seems to default with midi devices as both inputs and outputs thus causing the loop, but easily switched off. Neither of these are as powerful as midiyoke, which is a shame, although Loopbe30 & Loopbe1 both work with the midi data, midiyoke could move all controller messages into channel 16 to be listened out for by GO which was useful for stop changes. Nonetheless I've got it all talking and working, so thanks for all your help.

I look forward to the next GO - is there anything I can do to help like testing it on win 7 etc?

Tom
 
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L.Palo

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Hi again!

Sure thing, there are always room for more testing. Best bet at the moment is to be able to compile it oneself, at some point we have talked about making current builds available for testing, but somehow no one has found the time for it.

Most of the serious development is happening on Linux as platform, but there are detailed instructions on the GrandOrgues MediaWiki on how to compile it on windows. It shouldn't be too difficult to follow for anyone who is moderately skilled with a computer. I put a direct link to the page here for the interested.

Feel free to ask questions if you need any help.

Kind regards

Lars P
 

ggoode.sa

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Hi,

LoopMIDI should be able to communicate with GrandOrgue 02.0.1 in Windows 7... I'm running Windows 7 Professional 64-bit and LoopMidi works well connecting VMPK to GrandOrgue... Please let us know which version of LoopMIDI you have installed.

Kind regards,
GrahamG
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

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Hi,
I'm using GrandOrgue (all versions :-D), Sibelius 7 on win7 x64. MidiYoke doesn't work on 64bit OS with 64bit apps. It is workin' with the 32bit ones (as GO) so you got to use the 32bit Sibelius 7 (Installer installs both x86 & x64 versions).

Cannot use GrandeOrgue (a 32bit app) with Sibelius 7 x64. It's the same if you try to use GrandOrgue with Reaper x64 (ReaRouteAsio driver enabled).

Best solution is to Install : Asio4All latest and LoopMidi which has both x86 & x64 .dlls. This must be engaged every time you open your computer, it doesn't open automaticaly as MidiYoke or LoopBe. Then it stays on until shut down.

But, surely do not mix GrandOrgue with 64bit apps.
Also you'll get cracked sound if the buffer size & number are low with directsound. Experiment to find the best combination and surprising enough GO goes very well on latency with Directsound :) if one doesn't want to use Asio4All.

Best
Panos
 

L.Palo

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Hi!

Actually, the development version of GrandOrgue is possible to compile as a 64 bit application! I run one such version on one of my Linux computers, but apparently MinGW now exist in a 64 bit version (MinGW-w64) that possibly could be used to build a native 64 bit version on Windows also.

Maybe something to experiment with for some dedicated Windows user?

Kind regards

Lars P
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

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Hi Astazou,

Where's this 'stop' item ? Right click where ? On desktop icon? On LoopMidi's window there are two folders in menu : setup & about. No right click function....
Can you help more ?
Anyway, one can close LoopMidi from taskmanager :)
But why close ? I'm thinkin'.....
MidiYoke for example is permanently on....
 

astazou

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Right click on loopMidi system tray icon, you get the menu:
loopMidiRightClick.png

If it doesn't come readily in the system tray, go to the customizer : click "1" then "2" to get access to the cusomizer
systray-customizer.png
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Astazou,.....
THANKS !!!!!

(It showed in work tray right away after openning - I did select before for the small icon to show up - I forgot to do this for so long........)
 

e9925248

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Actually, the development version of GrandOrgue is possible to compile as a 64 bit application! I run one such version on one of my Linux computers, but apparently MinGW now exist in a 64 bit version (MinGW-w64) that possibly could be used to build a native 64 bit version on Windows also.

I managed to do a first 64bit Windows build of GO current development version (+ some not yet commited patches posted on the mailing list):
https://sourceforge.net/projects/e9925248.u/files/GrandOrgue/

Please note, that they are DirectSound only.
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Ok, I just did a first pass.

x64 installs OK. Good to give options where to and naming.
Now we can click on keyboards and get sound, but, with the first click the note stays on. A second click is needed to close it ..... hmmm
Liked the engine options and also that it can load 48000 and up to 24bit. We need new .organ files and sets in 24/48000. Great news !

My main complain (as with earlier v3 versions) that reloading the same set or any new, after the first opening/load, destroys GUI and it needs the mouse arroww to pass over menu bar to see the items and without background.

And of course no Asio support (you said that I know). Without it GO is useless today. I went down to 12 desired, 23ms achieved without distortion and I cannot play confortable .
My OS win7 64bit Intel dual Core T4400 at 2.2GHz, 4GBram, RealTek soundcard at 24/48000.
My HW v1.23 of 2003 does better with DSound only....hmmm
I know XP do better with DS as on win7, but I don't have XP to test :-(
jOrgan with native Fluidsynth and DS can go much better at 8/256 or even 8/128 buffers at 48000......

Also I didn't see any better improvement on controlling release samples. On staccato playin' sounds (still) like bells release. Even with 'Release sample scaling' ON.
On dry sets is OK.

So, without Asio, cannot use my ReaRouteAsio for playing GO in Reaper4 x64. Also GO has not yet a VSTi option.
Jack 1.9.8 (x86&64) for windows is also useless.
win7 have WASAPI which goes much better than DS.

I'll continue tests, for more in deep investigation :)
Good work ! I see lots of hard workin' hours of yours !
It's nice to have the 64bit version. Asio option or WASAPI needed though.

Best
Panos
 

e9925248

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Now we can click on keyboards and get sound, but, with the first click the note stays on. A second click is needed to close it ..... hmmm

Clicking on the keyboard is not intended for playing - it is more a testing aid. The sound stays on, so that one can change stops and so on.

My main complain (as with earlier v3 versions) that reloading the same set or any new, after the first opening/load, destroys GUI and it needs the mouse arroww to pass over menu bar to see the items and without background.

Did the problem only occures for not customized organs (they were never saved) or also for customized/saved organs?

And of course no Asio support (you said that I know). Without it GO is useless today. I went down to 12 desired, 23ms achieved without distortion and I cannot play confortable .

ASIO support is not my topic. If the RtAudio ASIO support works under 64bit too, GO will support it.

My OS win7 64bit Intel dual Core T4400 at 2.2GHz, 4GBram, RealTek soundcard at 24/48000.
My HW v1.23 of 2003 does better with DSound only....hmmm
I know XP do better with DS as on win7, but I don't have XP to test :-(
jOrgan with native Fluidsynth and DS can go much better at 8/256 or even 8/128 buffers at 48000......

If you have a multi-core processor, you can enable threading (concurrency & release concurreny setting). release concurreny of more than the number of processor cores is useless.

For optimal sound quality, the GO sound settings should match the sample set - else some kind of resampling takes place.

So, without Asio, cannot use my ReaRouteAsio for playing GO in Reaper4 x64. Also GO has not yet a VSTi option.
Jack 1.9.8 (x86&64) for windows is also useless.
win7 have WASAPI which goes much better than DS.

No one is working on VSTi support (as far as I know).
 

Ghekorg7 (Ret)

Rear Admiral Appassionata (Ret)
Ok, I accept

I said VSTi as an alternative not to have Asio or WASAPI, so Reaper can do the rest :)
I cannot feel any diference with 32bit GOv2 and 64bit GOv3 here. I needed the 64bit one for use with my other 64bit apps (which use Asio).
Also v3 occupied 158MB on my HDD......
I have no "non saved" sets running here... :) I'll try decompress one from my archive and post back.
My first v3 test was during the summer of 2010.... then this GUI issue was the same as now.

Thanks for the multicore tip ! :-D
24/48000 was a test experiment. There are not yet any 24/48 sets for GO (HW1 format)......
Some birds singin' that Kalvtrask will be the first? :-D :-D

Best regards
Panos
 
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