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Well,
That was a little bit of a flapdoodle...
That was a little bit of a flapdoodle...
I applaud andre rieu........
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Dorsetmike
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One thing that occurs to me, if his music needs to be seen being performed to be appreciated then it does not say much for it, the prime test of music for me is if it can get your attention audibly, if so, then the composer, performer, or whatever has succeeded if it you require visual senses then you'd as well to go to a pop concert, there won't be much, if any, music there as such, but plenty of visuals.
Dorsetmike
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Doesn't anybody else have an opinion or comment either way?
JHC
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Why not? all classical conductors and orchestras can be appreciated that way by classical lovers.
Yes there is a point Eric, I wonder if you had only heard his music on the Radio whether you would have had the same opinion?
If as you say he has to be seen to be appreciated then it is the showmanship that is entertaining over the music, therefore it is very unlikely that the audience will be much interested in a bunch of jokers just sitting and playing music in a concert hall much less likely to purchase a CD etc. The divide is just too large
wljmrbill
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for me.. HANDS DOWN. Performance in person is far far over all better than a dubbed recording with adjustments as needed to make it A perfect performance... I also no longer( for last years) buy CD's( to damn many anyway) but DVD's of live performances to watch( youtube.amazon etc too). I find the live performance with maybe it's errors gives me a better musical experience overall. IMHO
JHC
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A lot of CDs are made from live performances and I agree the atmospheric result is usually better that a studio recording, but for obvious reasons that is not always possible, but the point that we are debating is whether the audiences that attend Rieu's concerts are likely to become classical aficionado. I say no.
ericwood992
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Colin,
What I actually said in my previous post was, and I quote:
"I personally enjoy music the most when attending a live concert. Why? Because I can both listen to the music and watch it's being played. To me, even with a normal classical music concert, the atmosphere of being there adds something to the music.
In the case of an Andre Rieu concert, the atmosphere is almost as important as the music and cannot possibly be appreciated by simply listening to it on the radio.
If you really want to comprehend what Andre Rieu adds to the music, you need to experience a concert by him; not simply listen to snip-its on the radio".
I say again about an Andre Rieu concert, the atmosphere is ALMOST as important as the music. In other words, his visual presentation of the concert which creates the atmosphere is AMOST as important in FULLY appreciating the concert as the music itself. This does not detract from the music, nor make it in any way inferior to any other music. I do enjoy listening to his performances on the radio and CD, the music is good music and very well performed, but the live concert, or the DVD of the live concert, ADDS something to the music. And to fully appreciate Andre Rieu, it is necessary to experience this.
What I actually said in my previous post was, and I quote:
"I personally enjoy music the most when attending a live concert. Why? Because I can both listen to the music and watch it's being played. To me, even with a normal classical music concert, the atmosphere of being there adds something to the music.
In the case of an Andre Rieu concert, the atmosphere is almost as important as the music and cannot possibly be appreciated by simply listening to it on the radio.
If you really want to comprehend what Andre Rieu adds to the music, you need to experience a concert by him; not simply listen to snip-its on the radio".
I say again about an Andre Rieu concert, the atmosphere is ALMOST as important as the music. In other words, his visual presentation of the concert which creates the atmosphere is AMOST as important in FULLY appreciating the concert as the music itself. This does not detract from the music, nor make it in any way inferior to any other music. I do enjoy listening to his performances on the radio and CD, the music is good music and very well performed, but the live concert, or the DVD of the live concert, ADDS something to the music. And to fully appreciate Andre Rieu, it is necessary to experience this.
ericwood992
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So do I Margaret! This is what I have been trying to stimulate since posting my first thread. After all, this is what (I thought) forums were all about.
Why don't you join in? (I do appreciate the earlier post you made).
ericwood992
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Sorry Colin, what we are debating are the merits (or otherwise) of Andre Rieu and whether he warrants applause. I happened to mention in one of my posts that I believed that his concerts, playing to audiences of thousands of people, would encourage the love of good music (or words to that effect).
I agree with Bill. The only way to scientifically resolve this issue, one way or the other, would be to conduct a study. What we are simply doing is giving our opinions, in the absence of said study, based on our knowledge and experience of the subject: the concerts of Andre Rieu and his Orchestra.
What I am personally TRYING to do, having attended two of his live concerts and watched most of his DVDs (recorded at live concerts) is explain that the opinions of anyone who has not even watched any of his concerts cannot be relied upon.
The threads of which I have no understanding, I don't get involved with. I just wish others who feel it necessary to "put their oar in" just so that they have a presence on the thread, whether or not they are qualified to comment, would leave it alone because they are NOT contributing to the debate in anything like a positive way. I am sorry but a good debate should be among those who have experience and knowledge of the subject being debated.
Dorsetmike
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Following quote from WIKI
The bit I highlighted in red sums it up for me, an entrepreneur out for the big bucks, never mind hacking the music about, generate enough hype and joe public believes anything. Mind you it's taken him 25 years or so to get to his current status, wonder what took so long? if he's as good as Eric says, he should have been an instant success before 1990.
The bit I highlighted in red sums it up for me, an entrepreneur out for the big bucks, never mind hacking the music about, generate enough hype and joe public believes anything. Mind you it's taken him 25 years or so to get to his current status, wonder what took so long? if he's as good as Eric says, he should have been an instant success before 1990.
ericwood992
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Don't take my word for it Mike - try watching a concert!!! Is Wiki your bible? You seem a bit obsessed with it! Even that is only someone's opinion, with probably even less knowledge of A.R. than you have!!!
Dorsetmike
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No way José, I don't like Strauss's dance music for a start and watching some eejit poncing it up further I do not need.
And no Wiki is not my bible, but in this case it proves I'm not alone in my opinion.
I note you have no comment on his taking 25+ years to get where he is.
ericwood992
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1. Then you are not qualified to comment.
2. I agree!! You have at least one other person in agreement!
3. I wish that I had been where he is after my first 25 years, and if you're honest, I'll bet you do too!!
PLEASE let the subject drop now - you have admitted in virtually all your replies that you don't know anything about Andre Rieu!!!
JHC
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@Eric, I do not class pop classical as GOOD MUSIC and those that have heard Rieu and not bothered with classical are not likely to make the switch, I can't add any more to what I have posted earlier. Now having said that I do applaud you for your tenacity
ericwood992
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Colin,
Just out of interest, how DO you define "good music"?
I submit that pop (popular) classical, is a category which, by definition, is music which is popular with it's audience. As with all music, it is a simple matter of personal opinion which pieces in this category are good music, but the fact that it is classical and popular are surely an indication that many people believe it to be "good music".
My opinion, for what it's worth, is that some of it is very good and some not so good, as in any other category of music.
I find it sad and somewhat mysterious that some people (no names) condemn it out of hand, simply because it is "popular"!
JHC
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For me good music is full blown Classical even that which I do not comprehend
Exactly, and I submit that those attending his concerts are not classical music lovers
You are still calling it classical which it is not, would you place an interpretation of his of e.g. Mahlers 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Sym in the same class as a performance of the same work by BPO, VPO, LSO, NZSO etc etc?? I think not
You know my view on that.
Condemn is a strong word I simply have no time for it
It may not be that it is popular but more the way (interpretation) that it is performed I.e. in a way that will appeal to the masses who are not lovers of classical.
Which classical lover would spend time and money on Rieu? I suggest very very few I certainly would not just as those that attend one of his concerts would then go to a concert of Debussy, Ravel, Beethoven, Bruckner etc
ericwood992
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Para 1....I don't understand how you can put music which you don't understand into any category, except music you do not understand!
Para 2....Have you any EVIDENCE for this statement? I certainly am a classical music lover and I have attended and thoroughly enjoyed his concerts.
Para 3....The term "Classical Music" is a reference to the music not the performer.
Para 4....Again, I submit that many of those attending his concerts ARE lovers of Classical Music. I know - I have been to his concerts!!
Para 5....I DO!!! And having been to his concerts, I know that many others are Classical Music lovers too, and I go to as many Classical Music concerts as possible!!!
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Dorsetmike
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Having seen the ticket prices I'm surprised anybody can afford to attend, typical looks to be about £70-£80 in UK but scroll down and look at the Adelaide price £346.12,
http://www.ticketsmarket.co.uk/andre-rieu-tickets/?utm_source=google-e-search&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Andre%20Rieu&utm_term=andre%20rieu%20concert&creative=17157499369&placement=&gclid=CLiOoffAwLUCFYbHtAodb2oAPg
Moscow City Ballet and orchestra are performing here in Poole, in March, prices between £19.50 and £33, that would be about my price range, on a pension and with a mortgage no way would I consider spending more on a concert, the last concert I went to was about 10 years ago - Jools Holland.
http://www.ticketsmarket.co.uk/andre-rieu-tickets/?utm_source=google-e-search&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Andre%20Rieu&utm_term=andre%20rieu%20concert&creative=17157499369&placement=&gclid=CLiOoffAwLUCFYbHtAodb2oAPg
Moscow City Ballet and orchestra are performing here in Poole, in March, prices between £19.50 and £33, that would be about my price range, on a pension and with a mortgage no way would I consider spending more on a concert, the last concert I went to was about 10 years ago - Jools Holland.
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